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Old 02-12-2007, 03:00 PM   #31
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I want a secular state. That means gay marriage, pro-choice on abortion, etc, etc. Economically I'm a follower of the left wing of the Democratic Party. I voted for Kucinich in 2004. I opposed the Iraq war but think the war in Afghanistan started out as a fair war because the Taliban are Islamofascists big time. Keep the clergy the hell out of the state apparatus.
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I describe myself as a middle of the road, moderate, independent.
Which means I am not registered with any political party. (I think they're all full of it)
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Socially very leftist.

Economically less leftist.

Interestingly, my legal views are not on the far left either.
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Well according to politicalcompass.org i'm a centrist libertarian which i think makes sense.

I always thought i was slightly left of centre but i guess not!
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I suppose I could be summarised as a humanitarian social democrat/Keynesian socially liberal pacifist.

Not sure what single word would nicely summarise that. Humanisocynesiaberalifist?
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- i just wanna see people who work their arses off in more physically and demanding jobs getting the best pay. (ie. if i had my way, every nurse/teacher/road worker/cleaner would be getting paid a million bucks a year. Just makes sense...

While, I suppose ideally this would be nice, it seems that the "best pay" is actually related to scarcity of ability. The more technically demanding, the more education and expense involved in aquiring said skill, the more rare the native talent, the fewer people will be able to fill that role. Thus, those that can fill those roles command a premium price.

I guarantee most people who complain about how, say the NBA players get paid millions for throwing a ball through a hoop would not be able to throw a ball through a hoop with anything close to the kind of skill necessary to make it in the NBA. Pay is a function of scarcity and demand.

I think teachers should be paid a lot more, because teaching is much more difficult than people think. If the standards for teaching reflected the actual difficulty in doing this job there'd be a lot less teachers making a lot more money.

But I'm off topic.

I guess I'm basically "liberal" but I'm also a conservative Christian. . .I guess a feel that most of the pet causes of Christian conservatism have little to do with what Scripture actually says and certainly very little to do with the "spirt of the Scriptures." Which is how I'm able to balance being both.
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- i just wanna see people who work their arses off in more physically and demanding jobs getting the best pay. (ie. if i had my way, every nurse/teacher/road worker/cleaner would be getting paid a million bucks a year. Just makes sense...

- I don't believe that how much money a child's parents just so happen to have should be what determines the quality of education and breadth of opportunities a child is offered.
This is a view I can agree with you on. Was just saying yesterday as we drove around an industrial estate after 6pm, that it was the workers like them which keep the world spinning. I have no idea what kind of work they all did, it was manufacturing and other labour specific industry, but there they were - working. No flash cars for them, no bullshit which goes with white collar careers, simpler but harder work and work lifestyle. We cant all follow what dreams we have. Not everyone can become a doctor or a IT specialist, despite probably having more than enough intelligence. Yet thankfully so many people do the shittiest jobs that no one else wants to do. As for who's happier, that is unanswerable - it depends on a multitude of variables. In short, are we grateful to the people who work in the bedding factories assembling beds? Are we grateful to the garbos? The council gardeners? The hospital cleaners? The shorthand cook in the cafe you buy your coffee from? The staff who come in during the still of night and vacuum the office you work in? Chances are we dont spare a thought. The work they do is not acknowledged until it is done/not done, and not really monetarily matching of the worth it really has.
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This is a view I can agree with you on. Was just saying yesterday as we drove around an industrial estate after 6pm, that it was the workers like them which keep the world spinning. I have no idea what kind of work they all did, it was manufacturing and other labour specific industry, but there they were - working. No flash cars for them, no bullshit which goes with white collar careers, simpler but harder work and work lifestyle. We cant all follow what dreams we have. Not everyone can become a doctor or a IT specialist, despite probably having more than enough intelligence. Yet thankfully so many people do the shittiest jobs that no one else wants to do. As for who's happier, that is unanswerable - it depends on a multitude of variables. In short, are we grateful to the people who work in the bedding factories assembling beds? Are we grateful to the garbos? The council gardeners? The hospital cleaners? The shorthand cook in the cafe you buy your coffee from? The staff who come in during the still of night and vacuum the office you work in? Chances are we dont spare a thought. The work they do is not acknowledged until it is done/not done, and not really monetarily matching of the worth it really has.
Exactly right...

I have trouble imagining myself enjoying a genuine "quality of life" if, in the future, I was working in one of these necessary and "world-spinning" jobs....I love those who do it, but I just couldn't imagine myself tolerating such a job...I wish I could. I'm obviously lacking something in my mind.

I wanna be the next Harry Kewell or Bono or Roger Moore, not the next cleaner of the year 7 boys toilets.....Many other people share the same sentiment, but very few of us are gonna live our dream...

It's frustrating...

Anyway, may they all win the lottery...and sorry for going off topic
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This is a view I can agree with you on. Was just saying yesterday as we drove around an industrial estate after 6pm, that it was the workers like them which keep the world spinning. I have no idea what kind of work they all did, it was manufacturing and other labour specific industry, but there they were - working. No flash cars for them, no bullshit which goes with white collar careers, simpler but harder work and work lifestyle. We cant all follow what dreams we have. Not everyone can become a doctor or a IT specialist, despite probably having more than enough intelligence. Yet thankfully so many people do the shittiest jobs that no one else wants to do. As for who's happier, that is unanswerable - it depends on a multitude of variables. In short, are we grateful to the people who work in the bedding factories assembling beds? Are we grateful to the garbos? The council gardeners? The hospital cleaners? The shorthand cook in the cafe you buy your coffee from? The staff who come in during the still of night and vacuum the office you work in? Chances are we dont spare a thought. The work they do is not acknowledged until it is done/not done, and not really monetarily matching of the worth it really has.
Beautiful tribute, Angela. Well said.
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thanks guys

btw, i meant "shortorder" cook. no idea why i wrote shorthand.
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Indeed, I see no contradiction whatsoever between conservatism and conservationism.

I will write a more detailed post at a later date outlining what I see as the crisis in conservatism, and my recommended prescription for fixing it.

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