Yet more embarassing Virginia news....
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nbcrusader
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Long-time optional practice that is not conducted by the government.
Macfistowannabe
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I don't feel they should eliminate the classes, but at least make them optional.
U2democrat
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why can't they do bible classes before or after school though?
Agreed,
As long as they are optional it is not really the government's place to intervene. As long as it's optional I think this is a more an issue between parents/children and the local school boards than between the state and church.
If those hosting them want to modify the classes, that's their decision. If the schools decide that the classes are against the interests of students, that's their decision, too. I guess that's what the school board will decide.
Jon
As long as they are optional it is not really the government's place to intervene. As long as it's optional I think this is a more an issue between parents/children and the local school boards than between the state and church.
If those hosting them want to modify the classes, that's their decision. If the schools decide that the classes are against the interests of students, that's their decision, too. I guess that's what the school board will decide.
Jon
I see nothing wrong with it. The elementary school I went to (mid '80s) taught us Bible stories from time to time. They would be sued today, but no one said anything then. There's certainly no reason for Virginians to be embarrased. This coming from a fellow democrat.
Irvine511
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you can do whatever you want before or after school. during school hours, when children are required by law to attend school, is a different story.
would the school allow students to leave during school hours for optional, non-government run private lessons for dance, music, or athletics? of course not, unless it was a special occasion, not a regular thing -- that's why these activities are scheduled after school. bible classes should be no different.
and just what does this comment mean: "My conscience tells me this community needs this program, and we need to keep it," board member Angie Whitesell said.
i don't give a damn what your conscience tells you. what does your brain tell you?!?!
it amazes me how sentimental people can get about their religion.
would the school allow students to leave during school hours for optional, non-government run private lessons for dance, music, or athletics? of course not, unless it was a special occasion, not a regular thing -- that's why these activities are scheduled after school. bible classes should be no different.
and just what does this comment mean: "My conscience tells me this community needs this program, and we need to keep it," board member Angie Whitesell said.
i don't give a damn what your conscience tells you. what does your brain tell you?!?!
it amazes me how sentimental people can get about their religion.
verte76
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Exactly. You can do what you want to do before or after school hours. During school, a child can't decide because they are required to attend school. If a child decides not to attend these classes, or their parents don't want them to or whatever, they could become outcasts, and this isn't right.
Macfistowannabe
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This is a good point. I think if religious education must take place in public schools during school hours, they should learn about different religions because it helps understand different cultures.U2democrat said:
For better or worse, the role of the law is consistency, and making rulings based on past similar cases.
U2democrat
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What if the students were going to a local temple? Something other than a church? How outraged would people be then?
Macfistowannabe
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I can't answer that, I don't know what would happen.
U2democrat
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Just hypotheticals.
By the way for you non virginians "Staunton" is actually pronounced "Stanton".
By the way for you non virginians "Staunton" is actually pronounced "Stanton".
nbcrusader
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verte76 said:
Why is it that they are so quickly labeled as outcasts. Is there a presumption of some non-Christian persecution?
nbcrusader
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U2democrat said:
Wouldn't it be beter to allow this than shut down the entire optional program?
Bono's shades
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I don't understand this at all. Have these people never heard of a little thing called Sunday school? I don't see the point of pulling kids out of school during the day when they should be learning academic subjects. If you want religious education for your kids, you pursue it on your own time, not the public school's time.
Irvine511
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Bono's shades said:
it does seem as simple as that.
what discussion is there to be had? religious education on your own time, not the school's time.
verte76
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nbcrusader said:
Maybe it's just the neck of the woods I live in. But definitely if a kid around here decided not to do this he or she would catch all sorts of flack. Maybe it's not this way all over.
U2democrat
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Verte Staunton is alot like your area if you know what i mean.
Macfistowannabe
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I do think faith is a personal decision, and education is what should be taught during school time. I wouldn't object to it before/after school, but I have to sympathize with the "outcasts" who aren't learning anything during school time. After all, I don't like the idea of non-educational ideology taught in schools or during school time, especially when I don't believe in it. If a private school did this, it wouldn't be an uproar.
U2democrat
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Well it's my understanding that the students who aren't going to the bible classes aren't doing crap because most of the students are gone. Maybe i'm wrong. That's not the students' fault.
That's not the students' fault.
Macfistowannabe
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That's what I got out of the article.
BVS
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I learned my bible studies in Sunday School, evening youth gatherings, and retreats. I'd much rather learn art, choir, metal shop, athletics, or even personal finance during school hours rather than something I'm already getting somewhere else.
More than likely those that attend the classes go to church and those that don't attend the classes don't attend church. So teach me something I'm not getting already.
Seems common sense to me.
More than likely those that attend the classes go to church and those that don't attend the classes don't attend church. So teach me something I'm not getting already.
Seems common sense to me.
verte76
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U2democrat said:
Yeah, I thought so because that's the South as well. They don't call this place the Bible Belt for kicks.
