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Old 08-22-2003, 10:30 PM   #16
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Well, as we can see with our president, we can really see how tax cut and spend Republicans can bankrupt a state.

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Hmmm. Now tell me which is better. A deficit with your money in your pocket or a deficit with your money in the state's pocket??

No California economic stimulus package coming out of Sacramento yet.....
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Bush's federal tax cuts means that the federal government wishes to do less, and, as a result, shove the financial burden onto the states. That's what we're seeing overall with our nation, and I believe is certainly compounding California's financial problems, not to mention the budgetary problems of the rest of the nation.

For California or any state to release an "economic stimulus" package (which none of them ever will, because they are already in trouble), they would have to similarly disown their responsibilities and pass the burden onto local governments. Unlike Bush, though, who can come off as a "hero," governors are often held more responsible for local community troubles and financial cuts. That's certainly not so for Bush, as he will never be held responsible for state government troubles and financial cuts--even if, in some cases, it might be true.

Bush's bribery checks have to come from somewhere, you know.

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Hmmm. Now tell me which is better. A deficit with your money in your pocket or a deficit with your money in the state's pocket??

It is better to have a competent President like Bill Clinton. He had the federal budget on a surplus paying down the national debt.

Now we have an administration spending money like a streetwalker on crack.
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Bustamante, MEChA and the Media
Deep, what is your opinion of MEChA?
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Deep, what is your opinion of MEChA?
I donít know a whole lot about mecha.
If mechaís goal is to return California to Mexico,
I do not believe they will have any success.
I got the article I posted from the Human Events web page.
It is a bias article.

I am not one who believes I am qualified to tell Latinos how they should feel.
I think a lot of minorities have a right to be unhappy with the treatment they have experienced in this country.

You and I have benefited tremendously from affirmative action because of the subgroup we belong to.
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Interesting principles to live by. I'll keep that in mind.
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Clinton passed a Deficit Reduction Bill in 1993, and then a Balanced Budget Bill in 1997. Guess what? He reduced the deficit (tremendously) and not only balanced the budget but had record surplusses.

It does not seem like a difficult thing for me to see why he made things work.

So nbcrusader. Not to pick on you, because I respect you for being one of the few conservatives that actually speaks up around here and can argue intelligently, BUT

In your own personal financial life and budget, what makes more sense, balancing your budget to fit your earnings with your spending and having some to put away each month in savings,

or.... wracking up huge credit card debts that you figure will somehow get paid in the future??
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Old 08-29-2003, 01:18 PM   #23
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In your own personal financial life and budget, what makes more sense, balancing your budget to fit your earnings with your spending and having some to put away each month in savings,

or.... wracking up huge credit card debts that you figure will somehow get paid in the future??
I absolutely agree with you. Reduce spending to fit my income.

The Davis Democrats do not agree. They want to continue spending and raise taxes when they go overboard. California can be summarized by three numbers from Davis' first term:

California's population has increased by 21%

State revenue increased by 28%

State spending increased by 36%

But when you take big campaign contributions from state labor organizations and other special interests, you need to keep funding the hand that feeds you.
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Democrats don't want to raise taxes, they just don't think it's responsible to cut taxes when you are facing record deficits.

Republicans want all the same social programs and spending that Democrats do, but they also want lower taxes. You can't have both.
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I think we are mixing state and federal issues.

One thing is true, you will never find a "bad" government program that is easy to cut. Because if it is "bad", why did the government create it in the first place?

I'm not sure everyone will share your assessement that Republicans want the same spending levels as Democrats.
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I'm not sure everyone will share your assessement that Republicans want the same spending levels as Democrats.
You are right about politicians not wanting to bite the hand that feeds them. At the same time they want to slap or even lop off the hand that does not feed them.


The truth is the Bush Administration and many Republicans want higher spending than Democrats do.
It is only a question of where the money goes.
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btw, i think Davis is a very poor Governor.

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I think we are mixing state and federal issues.

That may be the case.
Is the justification for the CA recall is the 38 billion deficit and not being up front with the people of CA about it?

Well, if Bush was only as poor in the budget dept. as Davis our national deficit would be around 290 billion instead of 400-500 billion.

The Bush Administration is guiltier of misleading the people about their deficit than Davis is.

Carl Rove is smart to keep the White House out of the CA recall. (at least publicly)

It is best not to mix state and federal issues.
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