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Old 11-07-2005, 08:19 PM   #16
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And "neoliberalism" is not the only evil or source of oppression.
Fair play to you VertigoGal, you can see through the bullshit on either side.
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financeguy, that's the nicest thing anyone's said to me today.

I have a special place in my heart for libertarians (or similar) who don't like Bush.
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financeguy, that's the nicest thing anyone's said to me today.

I have a special place in my heart for libertarians (or similar) who don't like Bush.
Shoot .... I love Bush......

Are we talking about the same thing?
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^Dread...

urbandictionary.com has taught me so many valuable things.
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Old 11-07-2005, 08:51 PM   #20
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^Dread...

urbandictionary.com has taught me so many valuable things.
Sorry

Reminds me of a colleague of mine....

She was in the middle of reading a story.....about a bird....

and a kid raises his hand and says....

Have you ever had a bird in your bush?

Anyways....I keep this part of my personality repressed so much...it comes out once in a while....

My apologies
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well you know...better a Bush and a Dick than 2 Johns. the main difference in the 2004 election, really.

anyway....about them riots...
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anyway....about them riots...
I still do not understand being mad at someone else and destroying your own place.
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Anyways....I keep this part of my personality repressed so much...it comes out once in a while....
you're an elementary school teacher, aren't you?

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you're an elementary school teacher, aren't you?

Scary...but true
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I still do not understand being mad at someone else and destroying your own place.
very nice attempt to get the thread back on track.

i loved elementary school.
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Dread, in order to get the right answer, you have to ask the right question. In my opinion, you're not asking the right question. You can't always apply the rational actor model. In many cases, when people feel their identity groups are threatened (which if you read about indigenous and local responses to neoliberalism is often the case), their cultural or spiritual "survival" is often more important than physical survival. I don't have answers, but I do have a hunch that this goes a long way to explaining the riots in Buenos Aires and Paris.
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I don't have answers, but I do have a hunch that this goes a long way to explaining the riots in Buenos Aires and Paris.
The Paris stuff I find even more troubling. I think I understand the Paris stuff more than this though. I understand the reasons for the anger more than I understand this.
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Anyways....I keep this part of my personality repressed so much...it comes out once in a while....

My apologies


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I´m not excusing violence and also fail to see the motive for smashing a storefronts window. However, I do understand the general motives of the people on the streets. Representatives of the United States are not going to have a warm welcome there, with all the troubles and interventions and economic oppression they created. There´s nothing the U.S. can do to lift that bad image, and when there´s a Prez like Bush, whose policies are more than suspect for more than half of the world, I wouldn´t expect Latin America to stay in noble inactivity.
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Anu, it's not that most people on here are racist or against the peasants of Latin America...but I personally have a hard time seeing what smashing your own storefront will do to advance your goals.

And "neoliberalism" is not the only evil or source of oppression.
The people rioting are not destroying "their own storefronts"!! People who riot generally do not own the companies they target in riots. The kids who rioted in Seattle in 1999 did not own the McDonalds and Starbucks they destroyed. And issued a communique defending their choices about which buildings to smash up. I'm too old to riot, but it sometimes is a much more satisfying form of political activity than voting for a lesser evil that loses anyway.

Yes, add neoconservatism, fascism, and authoritarian communism to the list of worthless and frightening ideologies worth despising.

Of course I am also white and privileged or I wouldn't have time to post on Interference.

Now the definition of neoliberalism, from Wikipedia::

Neoliberalism is an economic ideology centered around the values of a global economy, or globalization --free market, free trade, and the unrestricted flow of capital. Neoliberals advocate minimal government spending, minimal taxation, minimal regulations, and minimal direct involvement in the economy. Neoliberals believe market forces naturally fill many areas of jurisdiction for the highest overall gain. Detractors state that market forces are inherently not equitable. In the West, neoliberalism is taking prevalence over the Keynes' Welfare State. The thrust of neoliberalism as part of globalization is to exploit the worlds resources (cheap labour, raw materials, markets) in the most efficient way possible, and in doing so, make more markets available to multinational corporations, most of which are based in the core countries of the world-economy.
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