Wtf is going on in Israel today??????? - Page 5 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 03-30-2002, 06:46 PM   #61
I'm a chauvinist leprechaun
 
Lemonite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Notre Dame, IN, 46556
Posts: 1,072
Local Time: 04:20 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by S|aney:

Lemonite,

I know how you feel about "cheerleaders", but I must commend you on your posts here. You've managed to nail every point that I would have pointed out. You have obviously done your homework with regards to the Israeli and Palestinian conflict. If everyone here would carefully and responsibly study that regions history, they would cleary know the truth about what an evil man Yasser Arafat is.
Thank you for the unexpected concordance, I just get sad when I see people almost acting naive to what is really out there.. At times in the name of 'Sensitivity', other times in the vain of Political Correctness.. When the true reality is much more bare, much more raw and at times more twisted than what one would initially expect. Though my writings may inflame at times, I do feel that it is because various issues are never 'couched' out of my typewritten hands.... Anyways.. There's a really good book out there which I intend to read about the History of this region that is on all the 'Must Read' lists, Ack.. I forget what the name of it is..

L.Unplugged
__________________

__________________
Lemonite is offline  
Old 03-30-2002, 06:54 PM   #62
War Child
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Posts: 526
Local Time: 04:20 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Lemonite:
in the vain of Political Correctness..
No, the feelings you've expressed here go far beyond the boundaries of political correctness; they cross the line of human decency. It is one thing to hate Mr. Arafat--it is quite another to hate the Palistinian people (a hatred that you may deny, but which is clear in your posts.)

p.s. The "vain"? A humorous misspelling, when one considers the source.

__________________

__________________
mug222 is offline  
Old 03-30-2002, 07:30 PM   #63
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
ladywithspinninghead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 4,634
Local Time: 11:20 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Matthew_Page2000:
ladywithspinninghead,

The level of your ignorance about Arafat is staggering. Literally staggering. I thought the media here in the U.S. was bad but the Canadian media must be far and away the worst in the world. That, or you are not at all the avid media follower you claim to be.

You're actually surprised that Arafat says one thing to the Western media and another to the Arabic world and the Palestinian people? My God, what rock have you been hiding under for all of your life?
You doubt that Arafat has ties to terrorist groups?
MAP

haha! I think I'd find all of this rather offensive if I didn't find it absolutely hilarious!!!!!!!!!
What rock have I been living in? Hmmm, let's see I've lived in Asia, North America and Europe for the past 7 years....I don't just read the Canadian papers (we only have one decent national paper) - I do read the Indpendent, the Guardian, Le Monde, Le Figaro, Le Devoir papers on a regular basis (it's pretty quiet where I work and they encourage us to read in the meantime). I guess my problem is that I've only been reading the "left-of-centre" papers where they happen to be a little bit softer on the Palestinians than the other papers...

Furthermore, you can talk about my ignorance ad nauseum but I think if you went back to my original post, I was actually asking for help regarding Arafat's exact status. This plea for further information has been consistent throughout my posts here - instead of going on about my ignorance (which I professed myself), why don't you supply me with the evidence there Doc?

And yes, I'm well aware that some of the suicide attacks are perpetrated by factions directly related to Arafat's military/political wing but does that necessarily mean that Arafat has the capability to actually rein in the terrorists??!?!
I mean, look at the inconsistencies here....Some people here say that Arafat is merely a figurehead and doesn't have any real authority in the region but at the same time they say it's a good thing that Israel is destroying his compound. Well what the *#$ is that about? What the hell will that accomplish?
If that's the case, the raids in Ramallah are merely Israel flexing its muscles, fearmongering and further humiliating the Palestinians. I really don't see the point in that.

If however, Arafat really is "pulling the strings" (as most here tend to believe) and not only is he turning a blind eye to it, but he's actually encouraging it, then yes, I'm all for eradicating the terrorist infrastructure.

But it seems to me no one in this thread can really agree on Arafat's exact measure of influence amongst the Palestinian nation and until we can, I will continue to keep my ears and eyes open.....
That's hardly ignorance my friend - it's my willingness to keep an open mind until I discover the truth....

So sorry if that offends you.


p.s.: And next time, you may want to tone it down a bit - it really doesn't become someone who knows better.
__________________
ladywithspinninghead is offline  
Old 03-30-2002, 07:33 PM   #64
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
ladywithspinninghead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 4,634
Local Time: 11:20 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Matthew_Page2000:


the Syrians refuse to let Arafat speak at a conference of Arabic nations
MAP


by the way, that was the Lebanese, not the Syrians....
__________________
ladywithspinninghead is offline  
Old 03-30-2002, 07:36 PM   #65
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
ladywithspinninghead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 4,634
Local Time: 11:20 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by S|aney:

If everyone here would carefully and responsibly study that regions history, they would cleary know the truth about what an evil man Yasser Arafat is.

Sheesh people, that was the whole intention of this thread for crying out loud!!!!!!!!!

I wanted to know - I wanted people to fill me in....I wanted to be enlightened - not bloody insulted, okay?

I've been scouring other sources - this was one of many - remind me to never do it again - holy crap....

Happy Easter to you too...
__________________
ladywithspinninghead is offline  
Old 03-30-2002, 07:43 PM   #66
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
ladywithspinninghead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 4,634
Local Time: 11:20 PM

Craig,

Thanks for the article - that group that claimed responsibility - the one that's part of Arafat's military wing - has only been really emerging in the scene in the past couple of weeks. The article fails to mention that - this isn't a group, like Hamas, that has been perpetrating most of the attacks in recent months.
__________________
ladywithspinninghead is offline  
Old 03-30-2002, 08:05 PM   #67
I'm a chauvinist leprechaun
 
Lemonite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Notre Dame, IN, 46556
Posts: 1,072
Local Time: 04:20 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by mug222:
It is one thing to hate Mr. Arafat--it is quite another to hate the Palistinian people (a hatred that you may deny, but which is clear in your posts.)

I do not hate anyone or anything, I do call people things as I feel they are, In fact I have no feeling whatsoever to the Palestinians.. That was news to me, However that does not mean that I do not condemn them for what they are doing with their Suicide Bombing Attacks.. No Hatred.. I don't even 'Hate' Mr. Arafat.. excuse me, 'Chairman Arafat', but don't get me wrong, I do not in the least feel he is a good and well intentioned man as I have stated evidenced in his dealings with this entire situation.. I will say it Made Me Sick to see them (Among Others) 'Cheering with Vigor' in the streets the News of the Two Trade Towers Collapsing back on Sep 11th.

I don't even hate liberals.. nor would I ever really call Liberalism 'Evil' as I have seen people call Conservatism.. I will disagree with their beliefs or better philosophy until the end of the earth because I fundamentally feel they are misguided and wrong, but I would never say I Hate a Liberal.. Hate is a very strong word, One which I do not identify with... However you may wish to try and twist and turn words of mine into such.

God Bless America,
L.Unplugged



[This message has been edited by Lemonite (edited 03-30-2002).]
__________________
Lemonite is offline  
Old 03-30-2002, 08:24 PM   #68
Acrobat
 
S|aney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Oprah's kitchen
Posts: 341
Local Time: 08:20 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by ladywithspinninghead:

Sheesh people, that was the whole intention of this thread for crying out loud!!!!!!!!!

I wanted to know - I wanted people to fill me in....I wanted to be enlightened - not bloody insulted, okay?
Your intention was to be enlightened???

Here's what you stated:

Quote:

That's absolutely ridiculous - Arafat himself isn't sending in these troops! It's not like his army/police are behind the attacks in Israel.


... Gawd, that Sharon is a bastard...he's now deemed Arafat an "enemy" and Christianne Amanpour said that when he states comments like that, it basically gives the Israeli army a license to kill.
IT IS A FACT that Arafat is a terrorist.
IT IS A FACT that Sharon is a war hero.

But instead, it sounds like you already had your mind made up!

No hard feelings! Happy Easter to you too!



[This message has been edited by S|aney (edited 03-30-2002).]
__________________
S|aney is offline  
Old 03-30-2002, 08:33 PM   #69
Kid A
 
The Wanderer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Holy Roman Empire
Posts: 5,271
Local Time: 11:20 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by S|aney:
IT IS A FACT that Sharon is a war hero.

um, check your facts on that one
__________________
The Wanderer is offline  
Old 03-30-2002, 08:41 PM   #70
Acrobat
 
S|aney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Oprah's kitchen
Posts: 341
Local Time: 08:20 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by The Wanderer:
um, check your facts on that one
Already have, but thanks for your concern.
__________________
S|aney is offline  
Old 03-30-2002, 09:09 PM   #71
War Child
 
CannibalisticArtist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: West Coast babyeee
Posts: 511
Local Time: 08:20 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by S|aney:
IT IS A FACT that Arafat is a terrorist.
IT IS A FACT that Sharon is a war hero.


LOL!

__________________
CannibalisticArtist is offline  
Old 03-30-2002, 09:18 PM   #72
The Fly
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Montserrat W.I
Posts: 41
Local Time: 04:20 AM
"Just an addendum in the middle of this post.. the Palestinians are a band of people who produce nothing, they have no commercial value, no 'industrial' practices.. They produce nothing, They are just there.. Ok.. Back to the post."


--This is clearly a statement filled with hate. This guy seems to be of the mentality that Palestinians are useless. i.e if they all died, were killed, ethnically cleansed, pushed into the sea, then its no biggie.

And supposing that "they have no commercial value" what exactly is the problem with that. Why does it bother you? Do humans exist to make a profit.


"If the Arab countries cared so much for Palestine why don't they ante up a little land and give them a country. Of all the land considered the Middle East, Israel occupies 1/10 of 1%."

--So if someone came and stole your car, we should blame a friend of yours who is saddened that your car was stolen, for not providing you with their car. The person who stole your car should return the car and be punished for having stole the car.
Some of that 1% of land that Israel occupies does not belong to them

And I do feel for the Palestinians but if their leader, Mr Arafat, had accepted the Camp David agreement, they would have their state by now and would no longer be under Israeli occupation. But he had to ask for the right of return which is something he knows Israel will never agree to.

--Arafat has every right to ask for the right to return.

IT IS A FACT that Arafat is a terrorist.
IT IS A FACT that Sharon is a war hero.


--IT IS A FACT that Sharon is a WAR CRIMINAL.
__________________
nintendan is offline  
Old 03-30-2002, 09:45 PM   #73
Refugee
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Earth
Posts: 1,125
Local Time: 05:20 AM
I personally find Sharon's attitude distasteful. I am very suspicious about him. Something is not right there. Who is pulling his strings?
__________________
bullet the blue sky is offline  
Old 03-30-2002, 09:56 PM   #74
Acrobat
 
S|aney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Oprah's kitchen
Posts: 341
Local Time: 08:20 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by nintendan:


--So if someone came and stole your car, we should blame a friend of yours who is saddened that your car was stolen, for not providing you with their car. The person who stole your car should return the car and be punished for having stole the car.
Some of that 1% of land that Israel occupies does not belong to them

And I do feel for the Palestinians but if their leader, Mr Arafat, had accepted the Camp David agreement, they would have their state by now and would no longer be under Israeli occupation. But he had to ask for the right of return which is something he knows Israel will never agree to.

--Arafat has every right to ask for the right to return.

At what point in history did that land belong to the Palestinians? Can you give me any dates? Point it out on a map? As a matter of fact, prior to the current state of Israel, it was under British rule, and before that, Jordanian rule. Furthermore, Jordan has since recognized Israel's right to exist. If anyone has a right to that land, it would be Jordan.

How can the Palestinians be under Israeli occupation? That's like saying that Californians are under U.S. occupation. But I guess you are right though. Israeli's are occupying Israel. Palestinians are living in Israel, not vice versa. In the 1800's that land had been abandoned and become desolate. Nobody really wanted to develop it. So, the Jews began to migrate back and rebuild and redevelop it themselves. After building successful businesses and industries, many Arabs began to migrate to this land to take advantage of the many employment opportunities. Can you show me where the Jews were opposed to this diversification? To the contrary, they were quite welcoming. It wasn't until 1948 when Jews and Arabs had the same opportunity for statehood that this became a problem for the Arab community.

Why should Israel be punished for occupying their own land? It's interesting that we Americans can fight the war on terrorism, but anyone else defending themselves have no justification.

Also, it is a fact that Sharon is a decorated war veteran. Regardless of your opinions of him, he has not committed any crimes or warcrimes that you can clearly and distinctly point out.

__________________
S|aney is offline  
Old 03-31-2002, 12:10 AM   #75
The Fly
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: wrapped around Bono's little finger
Posts: 196
Local Time: 04:20 AM
was getting fed up with no other countries stepping up to the plate and speaking out on Israel's behalf. Finally, Collin Powell yesterday, and today Bush. Where's the telethons, and the sympathy from the other nation's of the world for the terrorism Israel has been going through? 30 yrs ago they could have brought all the Palestinians to our country, there are only 750,000 people. This will never work, and it's about time the United Nations steps in and finds a country for those Palestinian people. They have been refugees since 1948. Why is Israel just left to fend for itself in this? It happened to us, and other nations all jumped in to help. To have the Israelis have to talk to that Yassar Arafat about anything was ridiculous. If it's ok for us to go to Afganistan and wage war, its ok for Israel to defend itself. They have shown tremendous patience, and its about time.

[This message has been edited by U2live (edited 03-30-2002).]
__________________

__________________
U2live is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:20 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com