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Old 03-17-2008, 03:33 PM   #76
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i guess i'm misunderstanding how he functions -- i had assumed that the spiritual adviser was there to Jesus-up the campaign.
No I don't believe so. A Spiritual Advisory Committee is also not unique to Obama, you'll find that most candidates have a similar committee. These advisors are mostly there to help guide the candidate through the campaign, rather than guiding the campaign itself.

Sure he may mention God and Jesus now and then, but that's a part of his identity, and he wouldn't force it upon others as certain conservative candidates have in the past.
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here is the link, this should work


I do watch a lot of the Bill Moyer programs

they are good

with different perspectives

and often from different points of view

than one finds on the "more" watched programs.


I did watch the program with Steele

and he said quite a bit of what I had concluded from my own observations

I did some research on him and found that I agreed with some of his other opinions, but not all

I thought about posting his opinions on Obama

but took a pass

I thought it might stir up too much of a "shit storm"

and also, I am not one that likes to break things down to either A or B

and that is the premise of the "bargainer" or "challenger" concept


I do see Obama with his "bargainer" persona for the masses

and the "challenger" to lock up the 90% black vote.
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how well was Romney served by his speech?

was it his high mark?
and then fade away



Mitt Romney is no Barack Obama.



[q]Many think Obama has more explaining to do[/q]

will you be having chocolate peanut butter cookie dough cheesecake, or would you prefer chocolate mudslide oreo cheesecake?



[q]it does not ring true
that he was not familiar with Wright remarks.[/q]

he's distanced himself from the controversial stuff. he's condemned it.

what more does he have to do, Mr. Russert? denounce? reject and denounce? reject and denounce and repudiate?


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and what of his superior judgment?

that he has claimed since his 2002 "dumb war" speech.

what does that have to do with anything here?

perhaps because Obama is advised by people who do more than kiss his ass -- and then define their jobs by how well they cover their ass -- he knew that the Super Adventure Club in Iraq idea was enormous folly from the beginning.
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Sure he may mention God and Jesus now and then, but that's a part of his identity, and he wouldn't force it upon others as certain conservative candidates have in the past.


and this is why i have no problems supporting him. it strikes me as the proper tone and place for a candidates personal religious faith in the context of the campaign.

i just fear any sort of Christian verison of Nancy Reagan's astrologer.
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I don't think you have to worry about that with Obama
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He argued that what Rev. Wright was saying was spot on
how about Wright accusing the United States of creating and perpetuating the AIDS epidemic?

is that one spot on?
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You should get the quote correct.
(you don't want to be accused of misrepresenting)

“The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.”
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You should get the quote correct.
(you don't want to be accused of misrepresenting)

“The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.”
thanks.
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That's the first I have heard that one...and no I don't agree with it.
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how about Wright accusing the United States of creating and perpetuating the AIDS epidemic?

is that one spot on?


i personally thought that was a crock of shit.

and you know what?

so does Obama.
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Twice in my life I have disassociated myself from churches

I heard things said from the pulpit that my consciouses and heart told me were wrong

when the other parishioners seemed OK with these things

I had to choose

and exercise my own judgment

I did not ask myself
what were the advantages of staying?

how long have I been associated with this church?

how many friends do I have here?

Spiritually is not limited to a building, pastor, or a denomination

Political expediency may be.
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That's the first I have heard that one...and no I don't agree with it.
might it be time to step back

and ask yourself?


Was I right to jump in 100% for Obama
when there are things I have not heard?


Things that have impact and matter?
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We're looking at what, 30 years of sermons?

What's the likelihood anyone would agree with every word?

We're getting a fraction of statements made by Rev. Wright, mostly negative which is painting the whole man in a negative manner. If this man truly brought Obama to Christianity, and Obama has held him in such high esteem over the years, there's obviously much more to Rev. Wright that we're missing and his current characterization is probably less than accurate.

Yeah, he's said some pretty outlandish statements, but he must have said something good over the years as well to have such a fervent following.
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might it be time to step back

and ask yourself?


Was I right to jump in 100% for Obama
when there are things I have not heard?


Things that have impact and matter?
Was I right? Of course I think so. I have no doubts.

There is much from the Clintons that have impact and matter that we have not heard either.

And things we have heard, I do not like.

From the outset, Obama still has been much more transparent than the Clintons are now.
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Was I right? Of course I think so.

There is a lot more to Rezko, than what you think you know.
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