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Does this mean I switch to Clinton because of some shady real estate deal.....?
Does this mean I switch to Clinton because of some shady real estate deal.....?
deep said:
There is a lot more to Rezko, than what you think you know.
deep said:
I did not ask myself
what were the advantages of staying?
how long have I been associated with this church?
how many friends do I have here?
Spiritually is not limited to a building, pastor, or a denomination
Political expediency may be.
deep said:I thought it might stir up too much of a "shit storm"
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Irvine511 said:
wouldn't it have been more politically advantageous to have cut this guy out before running for president?
Irvine511 said:
what's bothering me, deep, is that i don't think you quite realize how condescending you're coming off. legitimate disagreements are one thing, but to not-so-subtly assert that Obama's supporters are little different than starry-eyed Heaven's Gate cultists just waiting for the comet to come around ... well, that's not going to go down well with (young) people on here who do take politics very seriously, and who do pay close attention to the issues, and who have made the entirely rational choice that they'd prefer to support Obama than HRC.
BorderGirl said:
What exactly is Rev. Wright still gaining from the stormy rhetoric of black oppression? Wouldn't his energy be better spent propping up his people, all people?
deep said:
I don't mean to sound too
condescending
But when some contort themselves to explain this all away
I do think they are little naive.
deep said:
But, remember election day is on Tuesdays
and all the young people I know will be lining up for "Taco Tuesday"
(cheap tacos and beer. most establishments have this promotion on Tuesdays, esp near Colleges)
just kidding - me condescending? ;wink;
Irvine511 said:
it's Blowjob Tuesdays. that's what the kids are all about these days.
Irvine511 said:
so, people are going to hate me for this, but this is a very, very white thing to say.
BorderGirl said:
Funny cause I'm not "white".
Irvine511 said:
"white" is less a race, and more a state of mind, or an unawareness of the role that difference plays in one's life.
those who preach being "colorblind" don't usually have to live with real, present, tangible difference in their lives. you might not "see" someone's race, but that person is very aware of what makes them different from the majority, and the legacy they know that they are going to be associated with.
A_Wanderer said:I think that Obama supporters rationalising and defending the sentiment of Wright makes for great fodder against them in an election season.
A_Wanderer said:Wright shouldn't really have anything to do with a discussion of Obama's politics; I think that Obama supporters rationalising and defending the sentiment of Wright makes for great fodder against them in an election season.
A_Wanderer said:Obama doesn't have to worry, he has 'insufficient negritude' to be tied to those views. But I would think that Hillary and McCain have no problem with Obama supporters playing the race card on whites that are made uneasy by Wrights sentiments.
Just 8% Have Favorable Opinion of Pastor Jeremiah Wright
Monday, March 17, 2008
Pastor Jeremiah Wright, who has become part of the national political dialogue in recent days, is viewed favorably by 8% of voters nationwide. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 58% have an unfavorable view of the Pastor whose controversial comments have created new challenges for Barack Obama’s Presidential campaign.
Wright was Obama’s Pastor until he retired last month, but Obama has repudiated the preacher’s comments.
Seventy-three percent (73%) of voters say that Wright’s comments are racially divisive. That opinion is held by 77% of White voters and 58% of African-American voters. In addressing the issue, Obama warned against injecting race into the campaign .
Most voters, 56%, said Wright’s comments made them less likely to vote for Obama. That figure includes 44% of Democrats. Just 11% of voters say they are more likely to vote for Obama because of Wright’s comments.
Overall, voters are evenly divided as to whether Obama should resign his membership in the Church—42% say that he should while 40% disagree. White voters, by a 46% to 33% margin, say that Obama should leave the Church. African-American voters, by a 68% to 16% margin, say he should not. Wright retired last month as Pastor of the Church.
Irvine511 said:WTF do these people know about pastor Wright?
deep said:
I don't know what any body really knows
all along I have been saying most of us
don't know that much about Obama
but, back to these people
these are from the same pool of people that will be voting in November
The only distinction that supporters should be making is the one you highlighted of no religious test; no matter how much context and background you want to put onto Wright, his attitudes and his theology (which I agree are nowhere near as relevant as the sway held over the GOP by socially totalitarian Christians) those statements alienate the majority. At the end of the day a clip of 'God Damn America' cut together with Obama's statements of support for Wright can influence more people more rapidly than any attempt to frame the comments to make them more palatable (especially if in the process you imply that those middle of the line moderately conservative white Christians that can vote democrat - like in 2006 - are implicitly racist).do you see Wright as having SCOTUS veto power, like that given Dobson? why are we in a rage about Wright's angry comments, but not about Dobson or Falwell or Robertson? isn't the anger slightly more understandable when it comes from a black man who has lived in a time of Jim Crow to rail against what has been, and still is, an oppressive and racist system? isn't this wildly different from pasty white men demonzing minorities, forbidding interracial dating, tossing up pre-fab Freud "explanations" for the existence of sexual minorities, and the all-but-declaration of war on 1.5 billion muslims?
can we not make these distinctions?
Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people.
Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain't never been called a ******.
Hillary is married to Bill. And Bill have been good to us. No, he ain't. Bill did us just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.
The government gives him the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law, and then wants us to sing "God Bless America." No, no, no. Not God bless America. God damn America. That's in the Bible for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating us citizens as less than human.
We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed in Nagasaki. And we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon. And we never batted an eye. We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans. And now we are indignant, because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yard.
Is Jeremiah Wright affecting Obama's poll numbers?
Today Gallup says Clinton is leading 47 percent to Obama's 45 percent.
Updated at 9:30 p.m.
Sen. Barack Obama hit 50 percent to Hillary Clinton's 44 percent last week in Gallup's daily tracking poll. It was the largest advantage either contestant has had in the race since late February, according to Gallup.
Then Pastor-Gate went viral on Friday. And Obama's numbers have been steadily declining (while his negatives have ticked up). And today Gallup says Clinton is leading 47 percent to Obama's 45 percent. While not statistically significant, Clinton's two percentage point advantage in today's report is a notable shift from last week, the pollster says.
A separate pollster, Rasmussen, also finds the controversy is hurting Obama. And offers a jaw-dropping statistic. Only 8 percent of Americans have a favorable opinion of Obama pastor Jeremiah Wright.
The pollster also found that most voters, 56 percent, said Wright's comments (which included damning America) made them less likely to vote for Obama. The number includes 44 percent of Democrats.
Two-thirds of voters said they had heard about Wright and the controversy.