Would You Spend 10% Of Your Income On Bottled Water? - Page 2 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 03-20-2006, 10:05 AM   #16
Blue Crack Addict
nbcrusader's Avatar
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22,070
Local Time: 12:00 PM
Yolland highlights an interesting dilema. Do you devote resources to (1) lobbying a government (such as India) to improve infrastructure so everyone has access to clean water, or (2) smaller projects that actually bring clean water to small groups who otherwise go without?

India's water problem is not new, and it appears they have the resources to work to a solution. But, even if they did, approximately a quarter of the population would go without.

nbcrusader is offline  
Old 03-20-2006, 10:50 AM   #17
Blue Crack Addict
verte76's Avatar
Join Date: May 2002
Location: hoping for changes
Posts: 23,331
Local Time: 07:00 PM
I honestly don't know which I'd want to do. Either way you end up with people who don't have clean water, and that's a tragedy.

verte76 is offline  
Old 09-29-2006, 05:39 AM   #18
Forum Moderator
yolland's Avatar
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 7,471
Local Time: 08:00 PM
Originally posted by yolland
However, an equally important issue at hand is how best to supply clean water to the developing world's mushrooming urban population. Wells are not what's needed here--better funding of municipal (piped) water supplies is. In many urban areas of India, inadequate reservoirs are not so much the problem--it's more inadequate financial support of the pumping, pressurizing, filtering, and treatment equipment needed to ensure a reasonable supply of clean tap water. Building more dams to supply these areas won't fulfill the goals it's meant to if the resulting water supplies aren't treated properly.
In India, Water Crisis Means Dry Pipes and Foul Sludge

The New York Times, Sept. 29

NEW DELHI — Every day, Rita Prasher, a homemaker in a middle-class neighborhood of this capital, rises at 6:30 a.m. and begins fretting about water. It is a rare morning when water trickles through the pipes. More often, not a drop will come. So Mrs. Prasher will have to call a private water tanker, wait for it to show up, call again, wait some more and worry about whether enough buckets are filled in the bathroom in case no water arrives. “Your whole day goes just planning how you’ll get water,” a weary Mrs. Prasher, 45, recounted one morning this summer, cellphone in hand and ready to press redial for the water tanker. “You become so edgy all the time.”

Mrs. Prasher has the misfortune of living in a neighborhood on New Delhi’s poorly served southern fringe. As the city’s water supply runs through a 5,600-mile network of battered public pipes, 25 to 40% leaks out. By the time it reaches her, there is hardly enough. On average, she gets no more than 13 gallons a month from the tap and a water bill from the water board that fluctuates from $6 to $20, at its whimsy, she complains, since there is never a meter reading anyway. That means she has to look for other sources, scrimp and scavenge to meet her family’s water needs. She buys an additional 265 gallons from private tankers, for roughly $20 a month. On top of that, she pays $2.50 toward the worker who pipes water from a private tube-well she and other residents of her apartment block have installed in the courtyard.

Nearly a fourth of New Delhi households, according to the government commissioned Delhi Human Development Report, rely at least in some part on such wells. It is one of the principal reasons groundwater in New Delhi is drying up faster than virtually anywhere in the country: 78% of it is considered overexploited. Still, the new posh apartment buildings sprouting across New Delhi and its suburbs sell themselves by ensuring a 24-hour water supply — usually by drilling wells deep underground. “Imagine never being thirsty for water,” boasts a newspaper advertisement for one new development.

In the richest city in India, with the nation’s economy marching ahead at an enviable clip, middle-class people like Mrs. Prasher are reduced to foraging for water. Their predicament testifies to the government’s astonishing inability to deliver the most basic services to its citizens at a time when India asserts itself as a global power.

The slums built higgledy-piggledy behind Mrs. Prasher’s neighborhood have no public pipes at all. The Jal Board sends tankers instead. The women here waste their days waiting for water, and its arrival sets off desperate wrestling in the streets. Kamal Krishnan quit her job for the sake of securing her share. Five days a week, she would clean offices in the next neighborhood. Five nights a week, she would go home to find no water at home. The buckets would stand empty. Finally, her husband ordered her to quit. And wait. “I want to work, but I can’t,” she said glumly. “I go mad waiting for water.”

Elsewhere, in the central city, where the nation’s top politicians have their official homes, the average daily water supply is three times what finally arrives even in Mrs. Prasher’s neighborhood. Mrs. Prasher rations her water day to day as if New Delhi were a desert. She uses the leftover water from the dog bowl to water the plants. She recycles soapy water from the laundry to mop the balcony. And even when she gets it, the quality is another question altogether. Her well water has turned salty as it has receded over the years. The water from the private tanker is mucky-brown. Still, Mrs. Prasher says, she can hardly afford to reject it. “Beggars can’t be choosers,” she said. “It’s water.”

The crisis, decades in the making, has grown as fast as India in recent years. A soaring population, the warp-speed sprawl of cities, and a vast and thirsty farm belt have all put new strains on a feeble, ill-kept public water and sanitation network. The combination has left water all too scarce in some places, contaminated in others and in cursed surfeit for millions who are flooded each year. Today the problems threaten India’s ability to fortify its sagging farms, sustain its economic growth and make its cities healthy and habitable. At stake is not only India’s economic ambition but its very image as the world’s largest democracy. “If we become rich or poor as a nation, it’s because of water,” said Sunita Narain, director of the Center for Science and Environment in New Delhi.

Conflicts over water mirror the most vexing changes facing India: the competing demands of urban and rural areas, the stubborn divide between rich and poor, and the balance between the needs of a thriving economy and a fragile environment. New Delhi’s water woes are typical of those of many Indian cities. Nationwide, the urban water distribution network is in such disrepair that no city can provide water from the public tap for more than a few hours a day. Warning of “an unparalleled water crisis,” a study released in August found that 25% of New Delhi households had no access to piped water, and that 27% got water for less than 3 hours a day. Nearly 2 million households, the report also found, had no toilet.

The daily New Delhi hustle for water only adds to the strains on the public system. A few years ago, for instance, to compensate for the low water pressure in the public pipeline, Mrs. Prasher and her neighbors began tapping directly into the public water main with so-called booster pumps, each one sucking out as much water as possible. It was a me-first approach to a limited and unreliable public resource, and it proliferated across this me-first city, each booster pump further draining the water supply.

An even bigger problem than demand is disposal. New Delhi can neither quench its thirst, nor adequately get rid of the ever bigger heaps of sewage that it produces. Some 45% of the population is not connected to the public sewerage system. Those issues are amplified nationwide. More than 700 million Indians, or roughly two-thirds of the population, do not have adequate sanitation. Largely for lack of clean water, 2.1 million children under the age of 5 die each year, according to the United Nations.

The government says that 9 out of 10 Indians have access to the public water supply, but that may include sources that are going dry or are contaminated. The World Bank, in rare agreement with Ms. Narain, warned in a report published last October that India stood on the edge of “an era of severe water scarcity...Unless dramatic changes are made — and made soon — in the way in which government manages water, India will have neither the cash to maintain and build new infrastructure, nor the water required for the economy and for people.”

The window to address the crisis is closing. Climate change is expected only to exacerbate the problems by causing extreme bouts of weather — heat, deluge or drought.

The fabled Yamuna River, on whose banks this city was born more than 2,000 years ago, is a case study in the water management crisis confronting India. In Hindu mythology, the Yamuna is considered to be a river that fell from heaven to earth. Today, it is a foul portrait of crippled infrastructure — and yet, still worshiped. From the bridges that soar across the river, the faithful toss coins and sweets, lovingly wrapped in plastic. They scatter the ashes of their dead.

In New Delhi the Yamuna itself is clinically dead. As the Yamuna enters the capital, still relatively clean from its 246-mile descent from atop the Himalayas, the city’s public water agency, the New Delhi Jal Board, extracts 229 million gallons every day from the river, its largest single source of drinking water. As the Yamuna leaves the city, it becomes the principal drain for New Delhi’s waste. Residents pour 950 million gallons of sewage into the river each day. Coursing through the capital, the river becomes a noxious black thread. Clumps of raw sewage float on top. Methane gas gurgles on the surface. It is hardly safe for fish, let alone bathing or drinking. A government audit found last year that the level of fecal coliform, one measure of filth, in the Yamuna was 100,000 times the safe limit for bathing.

In 1992, a retired Indian Navy officer who once sailed regattas on the Yamuna took his government to the Supreme Court. The retired officer, Sureshwar D. Sinha, charged that the state had killed the Yamuna and violated his constitutional right, as a practicing Hindu, to perform ritual baths in the river. Since then, the Supreme Court ordered the city’s water authority to treat all sewage flowing into the river and improve water quality. In 14 years, that command is still unmet. New Delhi’s population, now 16 million, has expanded by roughly 41% in the last 15 years, officials estimate. As the number of people living — and defecating — in the city soars, on average more than half of the sewage they pour into the river goes untreated.

A government audit last year indicted the Jal Board for having spent $200 million and yielding “very little value.” The construction of more sewage treatment plants has done little to stanch the flow, in part because sewage lines are badly clogged and because power failures leave them inoperable for hours at a time. “It has not improved at all because the quantity of sewage is constantly increasing,” said R. C. Trivedi, a director of the Central Pollution Control Board, which monitors the quality of the Yamuna River. “The gap is continually widening.” Making matters worse, many New Delhi neighborhoods, like Janata Colony, are not even connected to sewage pipes. Open sewers hem the narrow lanes of the slum. Every alley carries their stench. Some canals are so clogged with trash and sludge that they are no more than green-black ribbons of muck. It is a mosquitoes’ paradise. Malaria and dengue fever are regular visitors.

These canals empty into a wide storm drain. It, in turn, runs through the eastern edges of the city, raking in more sewage and cascades of trash, before it merges with effluent from two sewage treatment plants, and finally, enters the Yamuna. Carrying the capital’s waste on its back, the Yamuna meanders south to cities like Mathura and Agra, home to the Taj Mahal. It is their principal source of drinking water, too. New Delhi’s downstream neighbors are forced to treat the water heavily, hiking up the cost.

With New Delhi slated to host the Commonwealth Games in 2010, the government proposes to remake this riverfront with a sports and recreation complex. In the meantime, the Yamuna, vital and befouled as it is, bears the weight of New Delhi’s ambitions. At dawn each morning, men sink into the still, black waters to retrieve whatever can be bartered or sold: rings from a dead man’s finger, coins dropped by the faithful, the remnants of rubber sandals, plastic water bottles. The dhobis, who launder clothes, line up on one stretch of riverbank, pounding saris and bedsheets on stone tablets. A man shovels sand from the river bottom: every bullock cart he fills for a cement maker will fetch him a coveted $5.50. Men and boys bathe.

The situation for New Delhi, and all of India, is only expected to worsen. India now uses an estimated 829 billion cubic yards of water every year — that is more than guzzling an entire Lake Erie. But its water needs are growing by leaps. By 2050, official projections indicate, demand will more than double, and exceed the 1.4 trillion cubic yards that India has at its disposal.

Yet the most telling paradox of the city’s water crisis is that New Delhi is not entirely lacking in water. The problem is distribution, hampered by a feeble infrastructure and a lack of resources, concedes Arun Mathur, chief executive of the Jal Board. The Jal Board estimates that consumers pay no more than 40% of the actual cost of water. Raising the rates is unrealistic for now, as Mr. Mathur well knows. “It would be easier to ask people to pay up more if we can make water abundantly available,” he said.
A proposal to privatize water supply in some neighborhoods met with stiff opposition last year and was dropped. So the city’s pipe network remains a punctured mess. That means, like most everything else in this country, some people have more than enough, and others too little.
yolland [at] interference.com

μελετώ αποτυγχάνειν. -- Διογένης της Σινώπης
yolland is offline  
Old 09-30-2006, 09:30 AM   #19
toscano's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,032
Local Time: 12:00 PM
It's mind boggling that some countries can afford nuclear weapons development programs, can buy state of the art warplanes, keep huge armies, etc but cannot supply water to it's people.
toscano is offline  
Old 09-30-2006, 12:09 PM   #20
Rock n' Roll Doggie
BrownEyedBoy's Avatar
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: San Pedro Sula, Honduras
Posts: 3,510
Local Time: 01:00 PM
Here in Honduras, it's quite a wonder that you guys drink from tap water. EVerybody is like "So, did you know that in the states they drink straight from the faucer?" and people see that as amazing.

The truth is we're all pretty used to drinking from bottled water and the price is pretty accesible. Those big gallons, that I'm not quite sure how much water they carry, that you put on top of water coolers cost somewhere around $1.15.
BrownEyedBoy is offline  
Old 10-01-2006, 10:52 AM   #21
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Rono's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: the Netherlands
Posts: 6,144
Local Time: 08:00 PM
clean tap water ( from very good quality where i life ) is about $2 a 1000 liter.

Still i have installed a water effecient toilet, use rainwater to wash my car and water my garden because i think it is a crime against humanity to use good drinking water for useless things like that.
Rono is offline  
Old 10-01-2006, 11:43 AM   #22
love, blood, life
A_Wanderer's Avatar
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The Wild West
Posts: 12,518
Local Time: 05:00 AM
Not a crime if you live in an area where there is more than enough water, of course I don't.
A_Wanderer is offline  
Old 10-01-2006, 12:21 PM   #23
Muggsy's Avatar
Join Date: May 2004
Location: I live in colombia, with a box of watercolors and butterflies in my tummy
Posts: 2,033
Local Time: 02:00 PM
Originally posted by BrownEyedBoy
Here in Honduras, it's quite a wonder that you guys drink from tap water. EVerybody is like "So, did you know that in the states they drink straight from the faucer?" and people see that as amazing.
we can do the same here in Bogotá. Unfortunately a lot people still have the idea that Colombia has infinite sources of potable water, but many of us are making an effort to save it and use it in a reasonable way, as Rono does . Besides " el niño" is aproaching and hard times are coming for the crops and the electric system.
Muggsy is offline  
Old 10-02-2006, 03:19 AM   #24
The Fly
wthrwthoutyu's Avatar
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: WV
Posts: 30
Local Time: 02:00 PM
I'm in the U.S., but I know a little about what a problem it is to have an inadequate water supply. My parent's home had a well, but over the years the water table had dropped. In the winter and spring, it was pretty okay and generally we had enough water, if we didn't go crazy.

But in the summer when the weather got dryer, it sometimes got to the point where we had to drag every stitch of clothing to the laundromat, could only take two minute showers (if that), and sometimes had to buy bottled water to make sure we had enough drinking and cooking. They put off drilling a new well because of the expense and their attitudes; they were born and raised country folks and it didn't worry them silly if life wasn't a bowl of cherries, so they were in no hurry.

But it was still a great day when they finally extended the city water lines into the country far enough for my folks to hook up. Suddenly we could take a shower without worrying that we'd be left standing covered with soap and nothing to rinse it off with; my mother was saving $20 or more a month doing laundry at home; and you didn't have to "go easy on that water, I've got to cook breakfast in the morning."

Of course, it's even worse where the tap water is non-existent or unusable.

It's ridiculous, I think, that a large city anywhere in the world can't get their act together well enough to provide one of the necessities of life to its people, for a reasonable fee. It makes it look as though it is simply not a priority for the government, local or national, to take care of its own people.

(Though I do think that programs that endeavor to provide wells in rural areas are a good thing, too.)

wthrwthoutyu is offline  

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:00 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com