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Old 02-09-2005, 02:24 PM   #16
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The thing with this whole Great Gamble is, it always pits Christianity against atheism as if these were the only two possible modes in the world and the other religions do not exist. I guess someone who believes themselves to be right wouldn't contemplate the possibility of finding out after dying that they've believed in the wrong God/s all that time.
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Old 02-09-2005, 02:33 PM   #17
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I didn't know God and Jesus had a publicist.
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I didn't know God and Jesus had a publicist.
Technically, all believers are to be publicists....
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I hold the Christian view. If I am wrong, then I have lived a life of peace and joy. I have given some of my time and treasure to a church in the belief that I am serving God. These personal sacrifices only add to my joy. I don't miss the time or money spent in service to my God. When I approach death, it will be with an sense of anticipation for what lies ahead. When I die, I die without fear, because I have faith that I will be in the presence of the one I worshipped for eternity future. If I am wrong, I have lived in peace, died in ignorance, AND I WILL NEVER KNOW THAT I WAS WRONG.
Most of us are honestly agnostic.

Atheists can not know there is no God.

Believers have a element of doubt, it is only a question of how much.
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I think the great Christian intellectuals -- Watchman Nee (whose writings had an apparent influence on Bono in the early days), C.S. Lewis, Jonathan Edwards -- would have trouble with a me-centered Christianity...

Since Jesus Himself didn't live a self-centered life, and He invites us to live that way too, why would we live self-centered when we are supposed to be the servants of all?
Well said. In a matter of hours I'll be at Ash Wednesday mass, where I will have a cross drawn on my forehead in ashes, and then I'll be admonished to turn away from sin. Self-centered anything is antithetical to Christianity. "What's in it for me" isn't where it's at.
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Old 02-09-2005, 03:09 PM   #21
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Not going to hell is a pretty good one too IMO
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Does acknowledgement of the "benefits" of being a Christian equate to a "self-centered theology"?
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Does acknowledgement of the "benefits" of being a Christian equate to a "self-centered theology"?
It depends. Christianity is not a mental or emotional anesthetic. At the same time, it can give dignity to the suffering that we have to do. It's not as much a matter of having our pain healed as it is trying to heal the pain of others. That said I have no trouble asking God to help me bear my pain with patience.
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Does acknowledgement of the "benefits" of being a Christian equate to a "self-centered theology"?
I really don't think you buy the "what's in it for me" as the reason, type of theology.
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It's helped me become less selfish, more selfless, and has inspired me to live a better life. Obviously, we aren't perfect, we don't believe that reading The Bible makes us perfect, but it inspires us to become more compassionate and less apathetic.
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I agree with verte76.

The underlying "holier than thou" attitude in these "Christian" threads are beginning to become very nauseating.

Jesus didn't need to hit people over the head with guilt or glowing promises to get people to follow his message.

He simply stated his Truth and let those who wanted to follow him to do so.

I think "Christians" would be well advised to follow Jesus' example.
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never has so much suffering been forced on mankind then what goes in the name of "religion" All I seen from religion is wars, families torn apart ect take religion and shove it up your arse!
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Whoa, broad, sweeping statements!! Stereotypes out the wazoo! Only partial pictures of what's going on as a whole in the world!

What I've seen of true religion is the saving of broken marriages, the saving of people's minds and hearts who are on the verge of suicide, and the saving of many who are addicted to numerous vices and on a hollow, meaningless path to death. such suffering, indeed.
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