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Old 03-29-2007, 03:52 PM   #46
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And you know this how?
Masculine intuition.

No, actually here's a CBS poll. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in965224.shtml

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OVERALL STATUS OF WOMEN COMPARED TO 25 YEARS AGO (Among Women)

Better
82%
Worse
4%
The same
13%
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IS THERE STILL A NEED FOR A STRONG WOMEN’S MOVEMENT?(Among Women)

Now
Yes
48%
No
45%

1992*
Yes
57%
No
35%

They didn't even pose a question about the need for the ERA. Must not have seemed very important.
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Not for the countries that treat women like it's still the 7th century.
I bet there's an INDY500 in any of those countries, opposing any necessary progress by pointing out worse situations.
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They didn't even pose a question about the need for the ERA. Must not have seemed very important.
Oh no.




Do you ever sprain anything jumping to conclusions? Or are you just always right?
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I bet there's an INDY500 in any of those countries, opposing any necessary progress by pointing out worse situations.
They're called the Taliban in one of those countries.
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we don't need no ERA

besides

if it is so bad being a woman

they have the right to get a sex change operation (in America)

nuff said

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No, because then we'd be gay men, and still no better off.
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Well somebody gets it. Only it will never take off as a wedge issue because the vast majority of those 55% of voters don't see any need for this. Only die-hard feminists and far-left activists can manage to get excited about the ERA in the year 2007.

Anyway, I thought only mean Missouri Republican governors played politics with women's issues.
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It's an election season, so of course everything is politicized, but I think the logic behind the ERA is good and worthy. Constitutional amendment proposals almost NEVER get anywhere, since they're so difficult to pass (need 2/3 vote), and I've been around politics long enough to know what's going on any time any politician, from either party, proposes an amendment.

A successful and admirable politician, in my book, is someone who (a) knows how to play the political game and (b) stands for the right principles. (And not in that order!)

The reality is that if Hillary Clinton is elected president, it will be partly because women voted for her in large numbers. She knows this, and this is why she has enlisted Democrats in making the ERA amendment an issue. And I admire her for it -- she is a savvy, smart politician who knows how to play the game and get elected.

I admire her even more for her principles, and she has fought for equal rights during her entire career, as a lawyer, advocate, first lady, and senator.
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It's an election season, so of course everything is politicized, but I think the logic behind the ERA is good and worthy. Constitutional amendment proposals almost NEVER get anywhere, since they're so difficult to pass (need 2/3 vote), and I've been around politics long enough to know what's going on any time any politician, from either party, proposes an amendment.
Have any of you been around long enough, or even read enough of this thread, to understand that ERA isn't a new thing????
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Have any of you been around long enough, or even read enough of this thread, to understand that ERA isn't a new thing????
Yes of course, that is well known. But it's now being dusted off because Hillary is running for President. The Clintons are brilliant strategists and they know how to mobilize their base.
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Yes of course, that is well known. But it's now being dusted off because Hillary is running for President.
Really? How do you know this?
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I remember the first ERA, too. It should have passed, but it didn't. We need it.
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Really? How do you know this?
Cos' I just do

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Cos' I just do

Indy's "masculine intuition"?

Well, assuming that as fact really does diminish the legitimacy of the need for ERA.

And it is a legitimate need, no matter what the frightened boys say.
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^A legitimate need for certain groups with their own ends; but given but if it was ever used to force private organisations to have quotas or break up clubs that discriminate by sex it would be very wrong.
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^A legitimate need for certain groups with their own ends; but given but if it was ever used to force private organisations to have quotas or break up clubs that discriminate by sex it would be very wrong.
You already have human rights codes which deal with some of those issues in different jurisdictions, so it's not like it doesn't exist.

The Canadian Charter explicitly recognizes affirmative action as a valid equality right.
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