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Old 04-25-2006, 11:54 AM   #46
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I don't think Keith just happened to be doing naked acrobatics, I would defer to Bono's Saint since she told me and she read the book. Perhaps he was unhappy about the women being there and perhaps that was a form of harassment. I think maybe he has some issues. It really wasn't too much to ask for him to curb his naked acrobatics for the short period of time in which the women were doing their jobs as reporters. He was an adult not a child. Naked acrobatics aren't critical to a baseball player's job performance and thus necessary to be performed in the locker room as far as I know-I'd have to consult Johnny Damon on that one since he likes to do naked pullups But he does those in the privacy of his own home, not in front of female reporters.
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He didn't say she looked hot. He said she didn't belong there.

Do you see the difference?

My remark about the burkha was in response to the argument that women are too distracting to have around.


And you hit on the exact reason women are forced to wear burkha's - men's weakness.
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His job is to play baseball - which includes being in the locker room. It was the Mets of the 80s though and naked handstands were probably the least harmful thing that group of guys did.
uh yea... just take a gander at "the bad guys won"
i mean heck... keith was already in the clubhouse drinking a beer when the ball went through bill buckner's legs..
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For what it's worth, I found this from the SF Chronicle regarding WNBA locker room policy:

"Reporters of both sexes are allowed in WNBA locker rooms, but no players shower and dress until reporters have left (or they do so in a separate, off-limits area). Previously, players were brought out to an interview room and no reporters were allowed in the locker room."

It seems different then men's leagues. NESN often has clips of Red Sox players standing in their towels in front of their lockers.
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another thing to consider... not defending the comments whatsoever... but the woman was in full uniform, and medical staff is not normaly in uniform on the bench.
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I don't see why we need reporters of ANY gender in the locker room. Can't some things be private? Have a press conference afterwards and that's it.

But his comment in question here refers to the dugout and as far as I know there aren't many nekkid men walking around there. Or I've been going to the shitty baseball games.
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I don't see why we need reporters of ANY gender in the locker room. Can't some things be private? Have a press conference afterwards and that's it.

Well I think it's a time constraint thing...

Side note: 2 years ago in Dallas, there was discussion about not doing locker room interviews because a penis was broadcasted on air after a Cowboy's game.


Back on topic: I really can't believe people defending this comment. Public apology and then stop being a jackass...
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I think it's interesting that he just assumed the woman wasn't on the team staff, even though she was in a uniform. Because there's no way a baseball team would have a lowly female on their staff, right?
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I think it's interesting that he just assumed the woman wasn't on the team staff, even though she was in a uniform. Because there's no way a baseball team would have a lowly female on their staff, right?
I think that is the point in a nutshell, which I tried to say earlier. His underlying attitude which created the comment is the greater issue surrounding the comment. Honestly I can't believe people would defend his comment either, but things are still that way in 2006 I guess. I am encouraged however by the men who won't defend the comment and by the Padres.
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I think it's interesting that he just assumed the woman wasn't on the team staff, even though she was in a uniform. Because there's no way a baseball team would have a lowly female on their staff, right?
perhaps you don't watch baseball but medical staff are normally not in uniform. the only people in uniform are players, coaches and the bat boy. medical staff tend to wear polo shirts... not jerseys and hats. like this guy...


i will defend his original statement... the one where he said "player personel only" in the dugout. anything he said after that point i have already said was stupid, he deserved to be repremanded for it, and now let's all get over it.


and as for the bigger issue of women in the locker room... i'd still like to here an answer to my question of wether or not you, as women, would feel comfortable changing in a locker room with men walking around?
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It's a small part of the larger issue of sexism, which no one really has the right to tell anyone to "get over". Men have to deal with sexism far less than women do, so perhaps it's not as easy for them to understand what it's like to deal with. If anyone should get over anything I think it is Keith Hernandez. Whether the medical staff is in uniform or not doesn't negate the attitudes behind his comments and his oh so quick jumping on seeing her there and his apparent upset over it, for lack of a better description. Maybe his book gives some more insight into those attitudes.
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Maybe he should move to Iran

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...8-1702,00.html

"Several Iranian hardline MPs were up in arms today over a decision by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to end a long-standing ban on women in sporting stadiums, warning of the dangers of "bare legs" and male spectators shouting obscenities at referees.

"We call on the president to annul the order to allow women into stadiums," an ultra-conservative MP from Isfahan, Mohammad-Taghi Rahbar, was quoted by the student news agency ISNA.

"The presence of women in stadiums is against moral, social and Islamic values. This is a hasty order," he said.

"According to Islamic law, it is not right for women to watch men's bare legs."
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It's a small part of the larger issue of sexism, which no one really has the right to tell anyone to "get over". Men have to deal with sexism far less than women do, so perhaps it's not as easy for them to understand what it's like to deal with. If anyone should get over anything I think it is Keith Hernandez. Whether the medical staff is in uniform or not doesn't negate the attitudes behind his comments and his oh so quick jumping on seeing her there and his apparent upset over it, for lack of a better description. Maybe his book gives some more insight into those attitudes.
i'd like to know what book you are refering to because as far as i know the only book he's written was a general baseball knowledge book... like a baseball for dummies type thing.

and i've personally dealt with sexual harrasment in my life... i know what it is like, thank you. and i still say get over it.
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I believe he was involved w/ some sort of book, I will have to check my e-mail again.

I didn't refer at all to your personal experiences (I made a general statement which is based upon my beliefs that women still experience it more than men do, and the statistics tend to bear that out), so your attitude really isn't necessary. I'm sure many men have experienced that and I would never defend that-I have nothing but sympathy and empathy for it. Honestly I don't care that you still say get over it

The lovely BonosSaint told me it was a book about the 85 season, that's all I know.
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i'm going to guess she's refering to the book about the '86 world series championship season season...



because as far as i know there are no books about the '85 season, and really is no reason for a book about that particular season.
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