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Old 11-26-2002, 09:57 PM   #1
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Woman to give birth to cloned baby.

Woman to give birth to cloned baby
November 27 2002


Controversial Italian gynaecologist Severino Antinori said a woman carrying a cloned human embryo should give birth in early January.

He told journalists the woman's pregnancy was in its 33rd week, and the male fetus, which weighed 2.7kg, was healthy and had "more than a 90 per cent chance" of being born.

The gynaecologist also confirmed that two other woman are pregnant with cloned embryos, one them in the 28th week and the other in the 27th.

He refused to name the country or countries concerned or provide further details, but said all three women are "in the same geographical zone".

The doctor, who first announced the pregnancies in April, insisted he had not carried out the procedure himself, and that his involvement was merely "cultural and scientific".

Italy is preparing to pass legislation that would impose tough penalties for anyone involved in cloning humans.
A international group of about 20 specialists including Antinori and American doctor Panos Zavos announced in January last year they intended to clone a human being in order to help sterile couples have children.

Antinori said today that he now has almost no contact with Pavos.

Antinori, 57, shot to notoriety in 1994 when he succeeded in helping a 63-year-old post-menopausal Italian woman become pregnant through fertilisation treatment administered at his Rome clinic.

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Yikes - I wonder if we'll be falling off the edge of the slippery slope very soon here.......
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Old 11-26-2002, 10:35 PM   #3
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be afraid.
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Old 11-27-2002, 01:18 AM   #5
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Old 11-27-2002, 01:36 AM   #6
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well as long as it benefits humanity. afterall, a reason why not everyone may be able to cary children is for an abvious reason such as overpopulation. lets not worry about anything, lets just do it.

hey, lets go science! *clap clap clapclapclap
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Old 11-27-2002, 10:07 AM   #7
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I am scared, too.

In a few years I will be having children. When they have children (my grandchildren), will they be pressured to "clone" the perfect child as opposed to a natural birth? Will our future generations' physical, emotional, and psychological features be picked out of a hat?

I say, let's bring people into the world naturally, the way it was intended to be. I sympathize with couples who cannot have children, but there are many children in foreign countries who need a good home and are up for adoption.

Cloning scares the shit out of me, because we as humans always take things to the extremes. It may be used for positive things, but you never know when a Hitler-like leader raises up and demands that everyone but clones will be exterminated or something stupid and scary like that. Ever seen Gattica? That type of stuff is what I am talking about.

All I am trying to say, is that it seems harmless and innocent now, but there is no way it could stay that way.
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Heard this on the radio this morning too, they also said that many experts are v. sceptical about the claims.
Though its only a matter of time I suppose
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Heard this on the radio this morning too, they also said that many experts are v. sceptical about the claims.
Though its only a matter of time I suppose
yeah, i agree that this is the most likely case.....of course i know nothing about it....it may be just a premature announcement....but it is only a matter of time...

shit.
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Anyone read Brave new world???

maybe we should send this doc a copy
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I think that there has to be some form of monitoring or regulation on cloning of any kind. The prospects of creating a master race or even a large number of "perfect" people should concern us all.

When your child loses out in school or athletics to some "super" genetically engineered kid, and has to deal with those types of disadvantages for their entire life, they will not maximize their natural potential and will probably end up being unhappy.

GATTACA and A Brave New World were merely the tips of the iceberg on this issue. Genetic tampering of any kind could easily be used for the types of evils that sci-fi authors and horror novelists only dreamed about. Genetic screening for jobs, class divisions within society (more so than those that exist today), prejudice, hate, violence are all easily forseeable consequences of making a group of people better equipped for every type of human endeavor.

I believe that there has to be an international coalition supervising these doctors, to make sure that this is used only for health purposes and situations in which parents could not otherwise have children (in other words, necessity). Otherwise, pick up your sci-fi books for a sneak preview of where this road leads.


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the funny thing is...all those horrible evils exist without cloning human beings!! think of how fun the world will be when they do exist.

*SIGH*

I can't wait.
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let the countdown begin.


the final countdown.
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I have definite doubts about this.....

I mean, this would mean they had to clone the baby from another baby...what parent will agree to have their child cloned?

And besides, cloning is ridiculosy expensive, and an incredibly complex and difficult process involving taking an adult somatic cell ( a tissue cell) and returning it to a reproductive state ( a gamete)...I don't want to get all scientific here. But I really have my doubts that this is true.

...everyone seems to acts as though genetics is a teriible thing. Genetics can and will change the world. However, in the wrong hands, bad things can happen, but this is could happen with anything
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Genetics can and will change the world. However, in the wrong hands, bad things can happen, but this is could happen with anything
yep, genetics and auditing have a lot in common
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