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Old 10-07-2005, 11:31 AM   #31
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Airlines might want to not offend paying customers, since the industry is in deep doo doo as it is . . .


But the tee-shirt--

well, what if it had insulted _____ or ______ or ______?

I don't agree with the construct of "hate speech" but I wouldn't want to ride with sexist or racist slogans blasting in my face.

Some kinds of offensive seem tolerable when others do not.

All that said, I think it's really lewd that those people are still in power.
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Old 10-07-2005, 11:47 AM   #32
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That's not a very nice T-shirt but I think kicking her off the flight is excessive.
Is it much different that kicking someone out of, let's say, Disneyland for wearing such a shirt?
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Old 10-07-2005, 01:06 PM   #33
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Is it much different that kicking someone out of, let's say, Disneyland for wearing such a shirt?
Yes, I think so. A flight is a trip. She might have been going to a wedding or a convention. Disneyland is, well, Disneyland.
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Old 10-07-2005, 02:17 PM   #34
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I consider the work "Fucker" on a shirt obscene and offensive.
Well, la de dah. Who the fuck cares what you think?

Joking aside, I'm offended by lots of things in our society. I just learn to ignore them. Is that so difficult over such trivial things like bad words on T-shirts?

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Well, la de dah. Who the fuck cares what you think?

Joking aside, I'm offended by lots of things in our society. I just learn to ignore them. Is that so difficult over such trivial things like bad words on T-shirts?

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I don't want to have to learn to ignore them, it isn't right. Society and peoples morals are taking a swan dive down the crapper and it just bugs me. That tee-shirt is just the beginning. If that is ok what is next...baby clothes that say "cute little shithead fucker" on them. Kids telling thier parents and teachers to fuck off because it's thier freedom of speech...not in my society ...damnit



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i think there are far, far more pressing things in the world to be offended by than a silly t-shirt. sure, wearing it wasn't in the best of taste, but it's nowhere near as offensive as say poverty or discrimination or the woeful state of health care.

if people put half as much energy into something worth getting upset about as they do about nipples at the superbowl and the f-word on a t-shirt, we might actually see some positive changes in the world.
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and to that, i say

i was flying non-rev once, from los angeles to new york. in dallas, another non-rev passenger that we were flying with - an employee of the airline - became intoxicated and also took a handful of prescription medication. halfway to new york, she was completely out of control in first class, flashing the other passengers, yelling at the flight attendant and pounding on the window. she was unpredictable, and i have never been so absolutely terrified in my entire life.

we landed and the rest of us de-planed while she was held back. she not only lost her non-rev privileges that day, she lost the opportunity to ever fly that airline again, and her job.

i think she should have been arrested.

i say bravo to any airline who strictly enforces their intoxication policies.
i know somebody that was on your flight

that lady was not wearing a "fuck" t-shirt

she was wearing a 'bush-cheney" t-shirt
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i think there are far, far more pressing things in the world to be offended by than a silly t-shirt. sure, wearing it wasn't in the best of taste, but it's nowhere near as offensive as say poverty or discrimination or the woeful state of health care.

if people put half as much energy into something worth getting upset about as they do about nipples at the superbowl and the f-word on a t-shirt, we might actually see some positive changes in the world.
I love how people always make this jump whenever public indecency comes up. Of COURSE poverty or discrimination or the woeful state of health care are more important. I don't think anyone on earth would disagree with that. But it still doesn't make it right.

In my opinion, the lady deserved to get kicked off. I mean, the clothing was blatantly against airline policy and all she really had to do was change/cover her shirt or turn it inside out. It's really not that large of a sacrifice to make.

Plus, I don't think the whole "Bush/Cheney/etc." factor really played into it as much as some might seem to think. I honestly don't think the people that were on the shirt influenced people's complaints much if at all. It was the obscenity that was the problem.

Finally, in my opinion, I don't see why people wear that shit in public places anyway. I don't think that children and mothers and fathers should have "FUCK" thrown in their faces everywhere they go. Now, don't get me wrong, if you're going to a bar or an 18+ concert or something of the sort, I don't think many people will mind you wearing an obscene t-shirt. But I don't think people should wear things like that to the airline or the grocery store. There is still a thing called common decency. At least last time I checked.

FUCK.

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While I don't see a problem with the lady expressing her disdain for Bush/Cheney, I think it was disrespectful to wear a shirt with the word "fucker" on it, especially in public places where there are children.

Know what made me mad the other day? We took our kids to the county fair. Right at one of the main entrances, there was a pimped up van with the volume very loud, three dvd screens, one inside and the others facing out. There was a blatant porn movie playing for everyone to see. People complained by the security didn't do a thing. One father even asked the men to turn it off and ended up fighting them over it. A woman gets booted over a t-shirt, yet someone can't boot men for showing blatant sexual material in front of hundreds of kids??
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I am not sure about Aussie planes...but seats don't really recline so much that a sweatshirt could "slip" - if you put the sweatshirt on....it should not "slip"!

Again...people are way over-sensitive.
Ok, now I'm really lost. I'm not sure what gravity does in the US, but if she'd laid a jumper over her chest and the seats didn't recline...then how, literally, are you surprised it slid off her? Lay a jumper on your stomach or chest Jeff, and stand up...What happens?
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Yes, I think so. A flight is a trip. She might have been going to a wedding or a convention. Disneyland is, well, Disneyland.
So? Disneyland is a destination. She may be going for a wedding or a convention.

Businesses have some latitude in who they serve.
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If you go to Fenway Park or Yankee stadium, you are not allowed to wear such fine shirts as Yankees Suck or Jeter sucks A-rod so it's not uncommon for this type of thing to happen.

Airlines are within their right to turn people away for wearing offensive articles of clothing. I'm surprised that the airline did not ask her to remove the shirt or at least turn it inside out - which is what happened to a friend of mine wearing a Yankees Suck shirt in NY.

Some may consider it a free speech issue but it's also just a general respect issue.
What do you know about respect?! Why, I've seen you trip old ladies just for fun.

Besides the truth is the truth! Often the Yankees do suck!

Of course, this year, it's the Red Sox suck. Even if the Yankees lose in this divisional series, at least they weren't swept. Losers.
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Ok, now I'm really lost. I'm not sure what gravity does in the US, but if she'd laid a jumper over her chest and the seats didn't recline...then how, literally, are you surprised it slid off her? Lay a jumper on your stomach or chest Jeff, and stand up...What happens?
What the hell is a jumper?

No...think of it this way...PUT THE SWEATHSIRT ON...how is it going to slip? And if it slips DOWN, wouldn't cover the shirt?

I cannot stand when people make comments like "airlines shouldn't deny people because the airline is not doing well right now."

What people do not realize is that if an airline ends up closing its doors...the flying public will suffer!
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Ummmm I wore a Yankees suck t-shirt in fenway a week ago....
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