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Old 03-22-2005, 02:00 AM   #31
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Oh for goodness sake ~ take off your rose coloured glasses and look at the world for what it is and always has been a harsh place where shit happens and people die. Iraq was fucked up big time 5 years ago and there was no prospect of respite from the dictator, Islamic fanatics were openly preaching violence against the great satan and laying their plans. There was no peace, prosperity or world respect 5 years ago and there never has been.
lets not turn this into an iraq debate again
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No, it isn't about Iraq it is about people seeing history according to their own politics ~ the fact is that the world was fucked up when Clinton was president, to suggest that it is mainly or exclusively the fault of this administration is disengenous at best.
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A-Wanderer, I agree that the good old days weren't always good. But I don't think you can deny that the US five years ago had more respect globally.

Ft. Worth--there have been several calls for you to back up your rhetoric with some facts. I have to say, I always dislike the tone of someone who implies, "Those who are reasonable can see that I'm right."

Where are these facts you refer to? What development experience does Wolfowitz have? What has he accomplished that leads you to believe he's the best man for the job, esp. with folks out there like Jeffery Sachs, or Paul Krugman (ok, he's done mostly domestic stuff) or Amayarta Sen, Ha-Joon Chang, or Joseph Stigletz? When you have time, I'd be interested in your facts.....

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Those "very enthusiastic, detailed and lengthy [phone] conversations" that Paul Wolfowitz had with Bono last week? Already paying dividends!

Other topics Wolfie and Bono discussed:

Wolfowitz: "You know, Pop was OK, but I just don't think you really captured the true joyous nature of techno."

And: how, in the late '80s, Bono and his mates blew their chance at a Pax U2iana. Springsteen was over. Stipe was going bald. Gangsta rap was just a minor uprising in a faraway land. But instead of exercising its full power, U2 went multicultural on Rattle and Hum and lost its competitive advantage. Ever since, it's been the France of rock... — GREG BEATO
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A-Wanderer, I agree that the good old days weren't always good. But I don't think you can deny that the US five years ago had more respect globally.

Ft. Worth--there have been several calls for you to back up your rhetoric with some facts. I have to say, I always dislike the tone of someone who implies, "Those who are reasonable can see that I'm right."

Where are these facts you refer to? What development experience does Wolfowitz have? What has he accomplished that leads you to believe he's the best man for the job, esp. with folks out there like Jeffery Sachs, or Paul Krugman (ok, he's done mostly domestic stuff) or Amayarta Sen, Ha-Joon Chang, or Joseph Stigletz? When you have time, I'd be interested in your facts.....

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It's only been 3 months since the admin began and every move is worse than the last.

Unfortunately I can only imagine the world Sach could create.
I wish I could retreat back into detachement, ignorance, and the family tunnel vision I had for a few years.
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I never said he was my top choice for the World Bank and I am not waving banners in his support. However, he is a very experienced person and Bush could have picked a much less qualified person.


ah, the poetry of lowered expectations ... like our toleration of a president who can't string together a coherent answer to a question and demonstrates a lack of grasping even the most fundamental points of his policies (see the january 2004 "meet the press" interview, the first debate).

yes, it could be worse ... somehow ...
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Ft. Worth--there have been several calls for you to back up your rhetoric with some facts. I have to say, I always dislike the tone of someone who implies, "Those who are reasonable can see that I'm right."

I second this and too would like to hear a better explanation than "he's run big organizations, the world bank is a big organization"...and nothing quoted from Brit Hume
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curious as to why there has been so little response to this thread from anyone who supports wolfowitz's nomination
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curious as to why there has been so little response to this thread from anyone who supports wolfowitz's nomination
I was thinking the same thing. Doesn't anyone like this guy? I'd really like to know. I know there are Wolfowitz fans here!
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No, the world has never been perfect, and I never said it was. Watching as Bush makes one irresponsible decision after another- it hurts. It hurts us as individuals, and it hurts us as a country.
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I found the following on "Daily Kos". The title of the blog is followed by a poll that Bono is winning handily. love, Anu

World Bank- Bono vs Wolfowitz (snark, with poll)
by JLongs
Thu Mar 17th, 2005 at 05:08:48 PST

This is a joke, right?
Someone please tell me there's a real, genuine financial wizard somewhere in the nominating pipeline to run the world bank.

(continued below)

Diaries :: JLongs's diary ::

So, let's compare.

Experience in Running a Bank

Bono-No
Wolfowitz-No

Bono DOES have experience running a rock group that probably collects more money than most banks. Wolfie has experience running the Pentagon, the black hole into which the American taxpayers throw money.

(I'm shortening it to Wolfie just because I don't want to be here typing out his name all daggone day.)

Degree in Finance or Similar Field
Bono-No
Wolfie-No

Bono writes some good songs, though, and imagine the television ads. Wow! They'd make those i-pod commericals look sick. Wolfie knows how to blow stuff up.

Compassion
Bono-Yes
Wolfie-No

Bono's got a good record of helping the downtrodden and impoverished. Wolfie has a long record of grossing us out. The comb-licking episode is permanently scarred into my brain. He's not on record as showing any sort of compassionate behavior.

Connections
Bono-Yes
Wolfie-Yes

Everyone knows who Bono is and a lot of folks like him. Wolfie has Dubya, and like Lola in the song, what Dubya wants, Dubya gets.

Maybe it's part of a new deficit reduction scheme. Plunder the world bank! Yee haw!

(I loved The Daily Show's sendup of the whole "they're both big" thing. Made me laugh until I realized he was serious, then I cried.)
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Watching as Bush makes one irresponsible decision after another- it hurts. It hurts us as individuals, and it hurts us as a country.
Agreed.

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Sorry, I have been out for awhile. I hope nobody thought I was trying to convince them that Wolfie was the best for the position and that my ideas were the correct ones. To tell you the truth, I am not sure. I am not extremely familiar with the World Bank or with Wolfie's career.

However, it appears to me (emphasis on "appears". We all know what opinions are like ) that the response to his nomination is a kneejerk reaction. Contrary to popular opinion it does not appear that he is a "unilateralist". Much of his career has been spent working with Muslims (ambassador to Indonesia) and is very familiar with Asian countries from his stint as Assistant Sec. of State for E.Asia/Pacific Affairs. His philosophy re: Islam is not that it is a dangerous religion, but one that the West is guilty of misunderstanding for centuries. Much of his career has been in academic settings teaching foreign affairs (PHD in Poli Sci), holding a few chairs in that field, and even being on the advisory board for the Journal of Foreign Affairs(working on an academic journal requires one to be diplomatic, that's for sure). Also, IIRC, he was very involved in the transformation of the Phillipines and Korea into democracies. Whether or not this is grounds for nomination to the WB is debatable of course, but insights on his career should not be limited to his role in the Iraq War.
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That site is so different now. You should have seen it before Iraq....
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by Jim VandeHei, Washington Post Staff Writer

Vice President Cheney said yesterday that the elevation of White House loyalists and supporters of the Iraq war to key diplomatic posts puts the United States in a stronger position to force changes at the United Nations and improve the U.S. image abroad.


In an interview aboard Air Force Two, Cheney said the nomination of John R. Bolton to serve as ambassador to the United Nations in particular shows President Bush's commitment to ending corruption and changing the culture at the world body.

"There is clearly a lot that needs to be done at the United Nations," he said pointing to the oil-for-food scandal and recent charges of sexual assault by a U.N. official. "There is ample evidence here at home a great many Americans are not happy with the performance of the United Nations," Cheney said.

"We are the host country, we're the biggest contributor to its budget, and success long-term, I think, depends on the continued support of the U.S. and the American people," he continued. Cheney said the fact that Bolton has been a critic of the United Nations will give him "a great deal more credibility" tackling the challenges there.

In the interview conducted en route from Reno, Nev., the vice president bluntly acknowledged the administration's shortcomings in overcoming international hostility to American foreign policy and communicating a positive image of the United States abroad, especially to the Arab and Muslim world.

"If we are going to be successful long-term in the war on terror and in the broader objective of promoting freedom and democracy in that part of the world, we have to get the public diplomacy piece of it right," Cheney said. "Up until now, that has been a very weak part of our arsenal."

Cheney, who has been a driving force in the administration's foreign policy and privately advocated for Bolton to get the U.N. job and for longtime ally Paul D. Wolfowitz to head the World Bank, said top-level changes at the State Department should help set a better course.

"What the president has done . . . is make some personnel changes that he felt would strengthen our capacity as an administration to achieve our objectives," Cheney said.

The vice president said the decision to put three of the most influential women from Bush's first-term White House -- Condoleezza Rice , Karen P. Hughes and Dina Powell -- at the State Department signifies a new approach for Foggy Bottom. Privately, White House aides said the department is now a power center and one of the few agencies with a significant second-term role, especially dealing with Bush's inaugural pledge to spread democracy.

"Having Karen Hughes over there with Dina Powell and Condi gives us the best possible combination of people [to] actively and aggressively address those issues," Cheney said.

Conservative Fred Barnes, in an article on yesterday's Wall Street Journal editorial page, said the moves are part of "Mr. Bush's shake-up-the-world view." Bolton, Hughes and Powell still must be confirmed by the Senate, and Wolfowitz needs the approval of the World Bank; all are expected to overcome any opposition.

The rise of close White House allies is not over and may include Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby replacing Wolfowitz as deputy defense secretary, according to White House officials. When asked about the possible change, all Cheney would say is: "I need Scooter."

Cheney, who sometimes clashed with then-Secretary of State Colin L. Powell over the Iraq war, said he would not discuss whether the new team is working better than the first-term one because he did not want to offend anyone.

Critics charge the White House is purging its voices of dissent and sending the wrong signal to the world with Bolton and Wolfowitz, two controversial architects of the Bush foreign policy.

"I can't think of anybody more qualified than Paul Wolfowitz to run the World Bank," Cheney said.
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