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Old 08-10-2003, 02:31 AM   #1
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WMD Announcement Next Month

Discovering WMD
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WASHINGTON -- Former international weapons inspector David Kay, now seeking Iraqi weapons of mass destruction for the Pentagon, has privately reported successes that are planned to be revealed to the public in mid-September.

Kay has told his superiors he has found substantial evidence of biological weapons in Iraq, plus considerable missile development. He has been less successful in locating chemical weapons, and has not yet begun a substantial effort to locate progress toward nuclear arms.

Senior officials in the Bush administration believe Kay's weapons discoveries should have been revealed as they were made. However, a decision, approved by President Bush, was made to wait until more was discovered and then announce it -- probably in September.
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Surprise surprise.
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Just in time for the Start of the election campange ?


BTW, i thought they already had the prove before the war ?
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I knew they'd come up with something.
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Well we all know the had a WMD program. We found their mobile weapon's labs awhile back.
Remember those 2 mobile labs that the Iraqis said were for making hydrogen for weather balooons, yeah right.

Who do you believe these Moslem terrorists or GW (honor and dignity) Bush?
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Well we all know the had a WMD program. We found their mobile weapon's labs awhile back.
Remember those 2 mobile labs that the Iraqis said were for making hydrogen for weather balooons, yeah right.

Who do you believe these Moslem terrorists or GW (honor and dignity) Bush?
Those terrorists can get fked, but there was that problem with uranium and Niger................
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Those terrorists can get fked, but there was that problem with uranium and Niger................

I no longer believe anything the Bush administration says without independent corroboration.

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August 9, 2003

Iraqi Trailers Said to Make Hydrogen, Not Biological Arms

By DOUGLAS JEHL


WASHINGTON, Aug. 8 Engineering experts from the Defense Intelligence Agency have come to believe that the most likely use for two mysterious trailers found in Iraq was to produce hydrogen for weather balloons rather than to make biological weapons, government officials say.

The classified findings by a majority of the engineering experts differ from the view put forward in a white paper made public on May 28 by the C.I.A. and the Defense Intelligence Agency, which said that the trailers were for making biological weapons.

That report had dismissed as a "cover story" claims by senior Iraqi scientists that the trailers were used to make hydrogen for the weather balloons that were then used in artillery practice.

A Defense Department official said the alternative views expressed by members of the engineering team, not yet spelled out in a formal report, had prompted the Defense Intelligence Agency to "pursue additional information" to determine whether those Iraqi claims were indeed accurate.

Officials at the C.I.A. and the Defense Department said today that the two intelligence agencies still stood by the May 28 finding, which President Bush has cited as evidence that Iraq had a biological weapons program. The engineering teams' findings, which officials from the Defense Department and other agencies would discuss only on the condition of anonymity, add a new layer to disputes within the intelligence community about the trailers found by allied forces in Iraq in April and May.

The State Department's intelligence branch, which was not invited to take part in the initial review, disputed the findings in a memorandum on June 2. The fact that American and British intelligence analysts with direct access to the evidence were disputing the claims included in the C.I.A. white paper was first reported in June, along with the analysts' concern that the evaluation of the mobile units had been marred by a rush to judgment.

But it had not previously been known that a majority of the Defense Intelligence Agency's engineering team had come to disagree with the central finding of the white paper: that the trailers were used for making biological weapons.

"The team has decided that in their minds, there could be another use, for inefficient hydrogen production, most likely for balloons," a Defense Department official said.

The Defense Intelligence Agency's engineering teams had not concluded their work in Iraq at the time the white paper was drafted, and so their views were not taken into account at that time, the government officials said. They said the engineering teams had discussed their findings in meetings in Washington in June and again last month.

"We stand by the white paper," the Defense Department official said. "But based on the assessment of the engineering team, it has caused us to pursue additional information about possible alternative uses for the trailers."

A C.I.A. official who spoke on the condition of anonymity said the agency was "continuing to gather more information about the labs, but we stand behind the white paper."

Since the white paper was made public in May, new information suggesting that the trailers might have been used for making hydrogen has come from Iraqi officials interrogated by American military officers in Iraq, a military officer said today. Those Iraqi officials have repeated the claims of Iraqi scientists that the trailers were used to fill weather balloons, said the officer, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Another government official from a different agency said the issue of the trailers had prompted deep divisions within the Defense Intelligence Agency. The official said members of the engineering team had been angry that the agency issued the joint white paper with the C.I.A. before their own work was completed.

The official said the question of how that had happened was being examined by the defense agency's inspector general as part of a broader inquiry that began in June.

A spokesman for the intelligence agency, Don Black, said he could not comment on the work of the inspector general.

The Bush administration has said the two trailers are evidence that Saddam Hussein was hiding a program for biological warfare. In the white paper made public in May, it detailed its case even while conceding discrepancies in the evidence and a lack of hard proof.

Senior administration officials have acknowledged that the United States has found neither biological agents nor undisputed evidence that the trailers were used to make such arms. They have said that intelligence analysts in Washington and Baghdad reached their conclusion about the trailers after analyzing, and rejecting, alternative theories of how they could have been used.

That view, described as a consensus of opinion with the C.I.A. and the Defense Intelligence Agency, was presented to the White House before it was made public.

At that time, a senior official who examined the evidence in detail and concluded that the trailers were used for biological weapons said, "The experts who have crawled over this again and again can come up with no other plausible legitimate use."

That official said the agencies had rejected the theory put forward by Iraqi scientists who said one of the units was used to produce hydrogen.

Today, a Defense Department official said of Iraq, "There is not doubt in our minds that they had mobile biological weapons trailers." But the official said there was disagreement within the Defense Intelligence Agency about whether those found so far were used to produce biological weapons or hydrogen.

The engineering team that has come to believe the trailers were used to produce hydrogen includes experts whose task was to assess the trailers from a purely technical standpoint, as opposed to one based on other sources of intelligence. Skeptical experts had previously cited a lack of equipment in the trailers for steam sterilization, normally a prerequisite for any kind of biological production.

Bush administration officials have said the most compelling information that the trailers were used for making biological weapons has come from a human source, an Iraqi scientist who described the trailers and what he said was their weapon-making role to American experts months before the trailers were discovered.

The six-page report that was made public in May, "Iraqi Mobile Biological Warfare Agent Production Plants," called discovery of the trailers "the strongest evidence to date that Iraq was hiding a biological warfare program."

Senior administration officials have said repeatedly that the White House has not put pressure on the intelligence community in any way on the content of its white paper, or on the timing of its release.
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they must be announcing the discovery of a bag of balloons in september then.
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I realy hope that they can do better than that claim of those trucks. It would give a hell of a party with those balloons.
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Just in time for the Start of the election campange ?


BTW, i thought they already had the prove before the war ?
That's exactly what I thought too.

They didn't have any proof before the war
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That's exactly what I thought too.

They didn't have any proof before the war
With members of the regime burying stuff in their backyards, how much proof could the US have before the war? They made a hunch based on the intelligence they had at the time. And come September, the world will see that their hunch was correct.

Oh, also, the US presidential elections are still 2 years off.
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With members of the regime burying stuff in their backyards, how much proof could the US have before the war? They made a hunch based on the intelligence they had at the time. And come September, the world will see that their hunch was correct.
And what if it turns out the hunch was not correct? I think it's a very dangerous thing to do, starting a war and endangering your own country based on a hunch (which was based on intelligence that was 5 years old). The risk/cost of having an incorrect hunch is maybe too high.

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Oh, also, the US presidential elections are still 2 years off.
Now, I'm not a US citizen, nor do I live there, but IIRC the elections will take place in November 2004 (the last elections were in November 2000). It's August 2003 now, so the elections will be in 15 months. This is little more than 1 year...

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Oh, also, the US presidential elections are still 2 years off.
Conressional elections this fall. Presidential election next year.

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With members of the regime burying stuff in their backyards, how much proof could the US have before the war? They made a hunch based on the intelligence they had at the time. And come September, the world will see that their hunch was correct.

Oh, also, the US presidential elections are still 2 years off.
Killing and bombing because they had a hunch,.....that gives me a strange feeling about the future,...

Anyway. we will see .

( What about this theory,....America is now destroying Chemical weapons but there is no International control so America can do what they want,.....dumping the chemical weapons in Iraq. )
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