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Old 02-07-2002, 02:07 PM   #16
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Im still not comparing the to but you are so locked on it that im starting to wonder if YOU actually feel guilty because I hit a real sore spot!
Yeah, that's it exactly: I'm offended because, in my heart, I know you're right. If you believe that, I have a bridge I want to sell you, too.

Certainly, "two wrongs don't make a right", but I've never thought that the arms build-up was a "wrong", per se; I believe the build-up is what KEPT the Soviets from attacking. Besides, I was just making the point that we weren't developing nuclear weapons to "force its beliefs on other countries.

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So to go back to the death penalty!
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but what about the Black people who get an all-white jury??
What about them?

They're all Americans, thus they are tried before a jury of his peers. To suggest that people are occasionally wrongly convicted is one thing; to suggest that "Black people who get an all-white jury" is wrong is WAY out of line.

Further, a murderer is still a human, but a human being who knowingly and deliberately takes the life of another loses his own right to live.

Taking the right is not murder on the government's part. It's certainly not a violation of the Judeo-Christian Ten Commandments, which outlaws killing without a cause. It's a just punishment for someone who murdered another.

I will grant it's a difficult thing to sentence a man to death, and a difficult thing to carry out that sentence. But that doesn't mean it's wrong. It may just be the hard, right thing to do.

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Old 02-08-2002, 11:16 AM   #19
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I think that there will be a HUGE difference between the Sydney Olympics and the Salt Lake City Olympics in terms of spreading and showing the patrionism.

When I was watching the Sydney games I never thought about how Aussies was showing off, or how the organization tried to fill the TV-audience with a "Australia is the best" message.

And I agree with Lemonboy, the "If your not with us your against us" statement by Bush is one of the dumbest things said on this side ot the millenium.

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In two days the biggest sporting event of the year(after the World Cup in football in Japan/Korea) will take place: The Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City.

Iīm really looking forward to this, and I think it will be good games.

But I think that it will be packed with US-patriotism, wich I would really really hate. The September 11th attacks, was really terrible and a sign of evil. But there comes a point when the American patriotism gets to big. I really hope that the Olympic Committee have the brains and guts to say no to too much propaganda. The world is not a oneparty state.

Good Luck Salt Lake City 2002!

I'd be curious to find out just what would be 'shoving down the throat patriotism' in your highest elevational opinion?

Also.. Where would you be bombarded with such patriotism?.. I'm wondering where you have people wiping all this in your faces as if it were soiled toilet paper?.. Because one would think that in your own country, I wouldn't think people would be running around touting America as the Salvational Land.

I remember back in the Sydney games, we were forced to listen to Kylie and her enormous collection of Covers, with Dancing Aborigines on top of it...

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Oh.. and just a suggestion Olofski.. instead of relating something to an 'orgie', I think Douche-Fest would be more appropriate


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I had this sentiment on another thread here....concerning patriotism. I was too lazy to make another reply ....


There is nothing wrong with showing pride in country and patriotism...among ourselves. Do we really need to bombard the rest of the world with it all the time? They know who we are and what we stand for ...why drive it into the ground ? I can't imagine how it would be if say every time we turned on the tv or watched a movie we had to endure another sermon on the greatness of Aby Daby (or whatever) I would soon get tired of it...as I'm sure they would get tired of us praising ourselves all the time. We can still be proud of ourselves without making them feel like a bunch of wet socks because they are not one of us or making them angry because they know they enjoy the same things we do in their 'free' country.

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I've been watching CNN off and on today and the IOC said that the US could not fly their falg above all others, which was the plan.

At least someone has some sense. Anything the US enters usually seems like a popularity contest. Everyone trying to be better then the US and the US brushing everyone off. I can feel the patritism coming now. On CNN, to show that they arnt biased, they have assigned a britsh reporter to the olypics. Give me a break. Thats even worse then assigning an american.

Also on the for us or againist us thing.

I must agree it was the stupidest things i have ever heard. It is the biggest form of arogance. Who the fuck are you to tell the whole world that. And your arguement Bubba:

If we suspect terrorist cells in a country, that country will be asked to help us root out the cells. If they don't, they're de facto choosing to side with the terrorists.

Who are you to say what a cell is and what is wrong with my country. Can my country not 'root' out that cell ourselves. Not everyone agrees with the US. Just like not everyone agrees with you. For example, if Canada said to the US we will find our cells and get rid of them. No help from you. Would we then be againist you. NO. we just dont need the US sticking its noses in our business.


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I'd love for someone to explain to me why "If you're not with us then you're against us" is a stupid or ridiculous statement.

Frankly, I think it's pretty cut and dried.

If you take steps to keep terrorism out of your country you're with us. If you support terror organizations or are otherwise indifferent to them you aren't doing the world any favors, and are thus against us.

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Who are you to say what a cell is and what is wrong with my country. Can my country not 'root' out that cell ourselves. Not everyone agrees with the US. Just like not everyone agrees with you. For example, if Canada said to the US we will find our cells and get rid of them. No help from you. Would we then be againist you. NO. we just dont need the US sticking its noses in our business.
No, of course that wouldn't be "against us." And guess what? I really don't think anyone would be accusing you of conspiring against the U.S. or the rest of the world either. Take care of it yourself, that's great. Even better, actually.

One absolute truth in matters like these are that if the U.S. gets involved elsewhere we're chided for sticking our nose in other's business. And if we don't get involved everyone bitches that we aren't doing enough to help out. It's a Catch-22.

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I know I am just a simple-minded, backward American but I wonder if any of you "enlightened" Europeans have ever heard of a thing called the Marshall Plan? If not you might wanna look it up, you guys owe all your prosperity today to us. So why don't you solve your own problems instead of constantly critiquing our society. At some point, anti-American statements stop being corrective criticism and they simply become a really bad mask for petty jealousy.

Again, tear me apart because like I said, I'm only a lowly American, a barbarian by most world standards and to top it off, I'm a Californian at that!
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There are times when over the top patriotism is out of place, and Americans have the reputation around the world for going over the top more then anyone else, but for gods sake it's the friggin Olympics and I spent the 2 weeks of the Sydney Olympics wrapped in an Australian flag yelling myself stupid drinking like a fish and having the time of my life going absolutely nuts supporting Australia and being proud to be Australian and no way was anyone telling me this isn't the best country in the world and I'd advise all the Americans here to do the same. Go nuts.

Tattoo your whole body red, white and blue. Scream your lungs out. Have a great f***n' time. I'd love to have the Olympics back here because that's what it's all about.

I mean seriously, if you can't go nuts for your country at a sporting event, and can't be proud of your country during an Olympics (since when has the host countries culture not completely dominated the 'vibe' of the Olympics?) then something is way wrong.

Just keep Celine Dion away. Please.

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Originally posted by Lemonite:
Also.. Where would you be bombarded with such patriotism?.. I'm wondering where you have people wiping all this in your faces as if it were soiled toilet paper?.. Because one would think that in your own country, I wouldn't think people would be running around touting America as the Salvational Land.

Oh.. and just a suggestion Olofski.. instead of relating something to an 'orgie', I think Douche-Fest would be more appropriate


Television, but I have to say that the opening-ceremony was really beautiful so I appologise for thinking it would be crap. Sorry!

Well since I havenīt really used English for a year my phrases might not be up to date, so no more orgies from my side.

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Originally posted by MSU2mike:
I'd love for someone to explain to me why "If you're not with us then you're against us" is a stupid or ridiculous statement.
Frankly, I think it's pretty cut and dried.


No, itīs not pretty cut and dried and I will give you an example:
By the end of 2001 USA posted a blacklist with people all over the world that they thought were connected with terrorism. On that list there were three Swedes, Abdirisak Aden, Yusuf Ahmed Ali and Abdulaziz Ali, they were members of a community called al-Barakaat a Bankingorganization from Somalia. Without presenting any evidence USA ordered the UN, EU and Sweden that their assets were to be freezed. The Swedish security-police says that there are no evidence what so ever that they are onvolved in terrorist-organizations. They are now labeled as terrorists and canīt get money for rent and people who are trying to collect money for them is braking the law.

IF Sweden would open their accounts or give them money, we would be accused of housing terrorists.

All Iīm saying is that the world doesnīt have two sides, for or against. Itīs packed with different opinions and saying like Bush that there are only two sides of this story is just stupid.

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Television, but I have to say that the opening-ceremony was really beautiful so I appologise for thinking it would be crap. Sorry!

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Ah.. Swedish Television is going to have ri-cock-u-lous amounts of American Patriotism????

Explain that one..

But agreed.. THe opening ceremony was excellent, I loved the dancing cowboys.. Only in AMerica.. We love our Cowboys and Saloons!!

And R. Kelly.. What an amazing Musician.

USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA

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Originally posted by ocu2fan:
I know I am just a simple-minded, backward American but I wonder if any of you "enlightened" Europeans have ever heard of a thing called the Marshall Plan? If not you might wanna look it up, you guys owe all your prosperity today to us. So why don't you solve your own problems instead of constantly critiquing our society. At some point, anti-American statements stop being corrective criticism and they simply become a really bad mask for petty jealousy.

First of all Europe isnīt one united continent. The countries that stood outside the war in Europe does NOT owe the Americans their wealth today! So to say that Europeans owe all our prosperity today to the USA, is going to far. Yes, the US payed a LOT of money and Iīm sure that the continent is very thankful for that.

Letīs make one thing clear Iīm not jealous of USA. Belive me I would love to go there and see the country, itīs one of my dreams to see USA, and I love a LOT of thigs that comes from USA. But I can honestly say that Iīm not jealous of USA. Itīs arrogant comments like that, that makes the rest of the world dislike USA. Everything you have over there we have here aswell, and with a history that stretches more than 300 years.

And to make one thing clear, Iīm not trying to dizz the Marshal-plan.

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