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Old 06-02-2004, 05:00 PM   #16
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1 out 5 children in Los Angeles go to bed hungry every night.

Because of the incompetence of the King/Drew hospital staff, many more get horrible to no health care.

Urban kids in L.A. County read one to two grades below their appropriate level.

And *this* is what the ACLU is bitching about? Geez, it's nice to know we have our priorities together.
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This is truly offensive.
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The ACLU had this to say about the above flag:

[Q] "prominently depicts a Latin cross, a sectarian religious symbol that represents the beliefs of one segment of the county's diverse population" [and is an] impermissible endorsement of Christianity." [/Q]


Hmmmm...

[Q]prom∑i∑nent ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prm-nnt)
adj.
Projecting outward or upward from a line or surface; protuberant.
Immediately noticeable; conspicuous. See Synonyms at noticeable.
Widely known; eminent. [/Q]

I see a PAGAN symbol prominantly displayed.....Hmmmm.....That is not good, isn't that the endorsement of something?
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a) The Baptism thing... I think they should be able to do it. They are utilizing public space for a gathering... religious or not.

b) dread.... yes.. you read me correctly. Let me ask you a question..... do you think it would be OK if the American flag had a religious cross? Last I checked this was the United States of American, not the United States of Christianity.

c) about the US flag....
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Ever wonder why the flag is red, white, and blue? While the flag's colors did not have a specific meaning at the time, the colors were significant for the Great Seal of 1782.

White: Signifies purity and innocence
Red: Signifies valor and bravery
Blue: Signifies Vigilance, perseverance, and justice
Why stars and stripes? Stars are considered a symbol of the heavens and the divine goal to which man has aspired from time immemorial; the stripe is symbolic of the rays of light emanating from the sun.
d) I dont think the ACLU is the poverty, healthcare, and litteracy watchdog.
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The meaning behind the US FLAG as you have portrayed it is not exactly correct, the meaning was added to it later. It is a recognition of the three crosses I mentioned above. While the meaning you attribute to it was later added, the symbolism behind the colors cannot be ignored.
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Still I wonder what a more acceptable symbol would be to represent the missionaries?
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This is truly offensive.

Truly offensive, no... offensive... to me yes. I'm not Christian, and having a cross like that on our state seal makes me shake. This is not a christian state, this is not a chrisitan country.
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Still I wonder what a more acceptable symbol would be to represent the missionaries?

What about the bells that were used, or the bell towers from the missions... they have a very distinct appearance.

For instance... San Diego has a rich heritage dealing with the missionaries.... yet this organization does not have a cross as, or in, its logo:

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Beat me to it! LOL
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Beat me to it! LOL
Lol....

About erm... many years ago.... I visited EVERY California mission prior to my year in 4th grade... From what I recall, very few, if any, had crosses exposed on the exterior of the mission/church. I currently live near a few missions, and that still seems to be true.
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I agree w/ you angel of LA - people in general ought to have more important things, like the issues you mentioned, to be focused on.

I'd feel the same way if I wasn't a religious person

PC run amok (regarding all issues not just religion) is unhealthy in my humble opinion
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The ACLU seems to be pulling a PETA on this issue. That is, they're pursuing something worthwhile (in this case, the separation of church and state) in a bizarre manner that turns people off from their cause.

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The real problem i see with how PETA and the ACLU, as well as other organizations, deal with their agendas is that most people today are PASSIVE, and unless you do things that attract attention... you really dont raise much awareness.

Here in Southern California, 3+ people have to DIE at an intersection before most city councils will even consider putting in, or changing, traffic lights.

Says something about society today... doesnt it?
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Truly offensive, no... offensive... to me yes. I'm not Christian, and having a cross like that on our state seal makes me shake. This is not a christian state, this is not a chrisitan country.
Good thing the standard is not what we deem offensive. Otherwise, we would drown in a whirlpool of litigation trying to change the face of society based on what offends us.

Besides - a cross does not equal Christianity. A crucifix yes, a cross no.
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