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Old 06-04-2008, 12:03 PM   #46
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but its shocking to see that 15% of white registered Democrats will likely not be voting for Obama in November simply because of race.
what's shocking is that that's shocking to you.

frankly, 30 years ago that number would have been about 40%. 50 years ago it would have been about 70%. 80 years ago it would have been about 91%.

so yes, we've come an awful long way as a country in regards to race. but there are plenty of pickup trucks with the stars and bars and a gun rack still left out there.
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Old 06-04-2008, 12:08 PM   #47
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what's shocking is that that's shocking to you.

frankly, 30 years ago that number would have been about 40%. 50 years ago it would have been about 70%. 80 years ago it would have been about 91%.

so yes, we've come an awful long way as a country in regards to race. but there are plenty of pickup trucks with the stars and bars and a gun rack still left out there.
Remember, were not talking about the country as a whole here, just Whites in the Democratic party who tend to be more liberal than Independents or Republicans.
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Well, according to exit polling, 15% of registered white Democrats said that RACE was important in choosing their candidate.
A very sad and unfortunate statistic.
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Among the Hillary supporters I know, they will probably opt out of the Presidential or write in Hillary as a protest vote, which is what I intend to do.

Could you explain to me what you, and other voters opting out or writing-in, are protesting against?
What did Obama do wrong to disqualify him from being voted for? Is it his "small town" faux pas?

And, I'm honestly just asking.
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it's pretty sad, but not the least bit surprising, that we even need to have the discussion - is america ready for a black president?
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That's ok

A very large portion of young voters let race influence their vote.


They looked at Obama's bi-racial heritage, and felt the image of a non-white President was exciting enough, that they never even gave Hillary a fair consideration.

and they will show up and vote in November.
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When it comes down to it, they have almost identical views over numerous issues.
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Ah, the smear begins.

Perhaps if you made your reasons more clear, no one would have to make this unfortunate association. Which only you seem to be making.
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Could you explain to me what you, and other voters opting out or writing-in, are protesting against?
What did Obama do wrong to disqualify him from being voted for? Is it his "small town" faux pas?

And, I'm honestly just asking.
The local AHL hockey team is in the middle of the Calder Cup Finals so I'll be immersed in work and hockey for the next several days, so I won't have time to go into detail until this weekend. But if you'll be patient, I'll be delighted.
Hockey takes precedence.
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The local AHL hockey team is in the middle of the Calder Cup Finals so I'll be immersed in work and hockey for the next several days, so I won't have time to go into detail until this weekend. But if you'll be patient, I'll be delighted.
Hockey takes precedence.
No worries, and good luck for your team!
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Thank you.
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if a hilary supporter is going to vote for the other (shitty) team out of spite, then they obviously don't support any sort of democratic belief system. If the democrats don't win this election base on the track record of the current adminstration there is something deeply, horrifically wrong with the american people.

Hell, even Australians with our RSL white policy peep and anti immigration peeps voted for the right guy (well the better of two!) ahahah
EXACTLY!!!
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I think some damage was done.

Among the Hillary supporters I know, they will probably opt out of the Presidential or write in Hillary as a protest vote, which is what I intend to do. I do not know if Hillary was on the VP slot whether that would change my mind as I consider VP kind of a nothing position. Then again this area is heavy Clinton country across the board so I wouldn't even begin to speculate how that translates outside the area. I've heard some grumblings about voting for McCain, but I'm not going there. Over the course of the election I've gone from "for sure" if Obama is the candidate to "likely" to "don't think so."
And I don't see any reason for apology for it. I didn't abandon them. They lost me.

I don't think you will be able to determine how severe the split is until November and possibly 2010 when you see whether Obama support or Democrat disaffection will carry over into the midterms. If there is a split, the Democrats will feel the loss greatest then.

That being said, I expect Obama to win in November although not handily. So you don't need me at all.:
This is exaxctly what's wrong with the Hillary Democrats...shame on you!!!
If the Republicans are elected again this fall it will rest on you.
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This is exaxctly what's wrong with the Hillary Democrats...shame on you!!!
If the Republicans are elected again this fall it will rest on you.
Wait a minute. Aren't you one who's been yelling that no one should ever vote for Clinton no matter what? So if she was the Democratic nominee and people agreed with you, they wouldn't vote for her. Isn't that the same damned thing?

Is your hatred of Clinton so strong you are blinded to that?
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