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Old 09-29-2004, 08:11 AM   #16
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Well it's pretty simple - do you value the wishes and needs of (few) individuals in general over the wishes and needs of everone?
If not, why do you change your mind if you know them personally?

Seems like money can be earned by taking italian civilists as hostages - i'd be surprised if that wouldn't result in new hostages.
So would you be happy to exchange the life of one of your family against the life of 10 other persons? ..100.... 1000?
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There must be a distinction between nationalist and purely religious terrorism.
"Common" criminals would be a fine 3rd group, though whether we should call these people terrorists is up for debate I guess. Yesterday there was a businessman on tv who's got a company working in Iraq. He said up to maybe one hundred people a week are kidnapped in Baghdad alone. Usually employees from Western companies who try to keep it out of the media and pay the ransom.
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Well it's pretty simple - do you value the wishes and needs of (few) individuals in general over the wishes and needs of everone?
If not, why do you change your mind if you know them personally?

Seems like money can be earned by taking italian civilists as hostages - i'd be surprised if that wouldn't result in new hostages.
So would you be happy to exchange the life of one of your family against the life of 10 other persons? ..100.... 1000?
Ach Klaus.

Yes, I guess I would value the NOT-general (but personal) life of my loved ones (not "just a few individuals") more than the general wishes and needs of everyone. I would change my mind if I knew them personally, because like mentioned above, it is personal - not general.

You have the right of accusing that thought, because maybe man should value the danger of life to the unknown neighbor just the same like the life of your own father or your mother. I see your principle in that.

I can not say I would be happy to theoretically - not practically - exchange the life of one of my family against the life of 10 other persons, but there is no doubt I would.

Practically, the situation is different. To pay money, is not to condemn someone else to death. If the terrorists would want 10 new hostages in order to let one of my family free, I would not choose that solution, because then it is about the concrete life of 10 new hostages. But whatever you think the outcome of dealing with terrorists is, money is just money - it is not life.

Theoretical implications of what would happen if other terrorists jump on the train now that they see their principle is succesful, don´t count for me a bit, if it is about my loved ones.
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Well i'm affraid it could be practically an exchange, why?

I guess that 1.000.000$ can turn quite some people into hostage-takers, especially in an area where violence is a daily fact
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But it wouldn´t be an exchange. I could "guess" the same like you, but there is a difference between payment and exchanging hostages. I would not consider the "what would be if" - factor if its about people who I love. I would say "yeah, the world is a cruel place, well what do I care about what is going to happen, I only care about the freedom of my child". In that case, I do not care how much money "can make" whoever to a hostage-taker. I have explained you that this is what I´d do, whether you like it or not, whether you think it is right, or wrong.

What about you then? Do you think you would stick to your principles in any case, or are there any exceptions?
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Well i think there are exceptions in almost all things incl. almost all principles

But i'm too tired to discuss it now - i'm off for a few days - hapy partisan-discussions
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be careful, guys-
The Red cross was involved in the process to set the Italian girls free-
It's not sure money were paid.
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I agree with NBC and A_Wanderer
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