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Old 07-11-2006, 01:03 PM   #121
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awaits for obligatory STING remarks about how smashingly it's all going and how those on the Left like Dread are desperate to find something going wrong in Iraq because they just hate Bush
This may be the first time anyone here has called me a member of the left.
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This may be the first time anyone here has called me a member of the left.

well, by the logic of some, if you are opposed to the war in Iraq, or simply think it's anything less than an unqualified success, you are therefore a member of the Left.
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Didn't they find loaded missles a month ago that had chemicals in them???
You mean the missles with the WMD's that were so degraded they were of no concern. Those?

Did you know, they found yellow cake too? They knew he had yellow cake. They knew that he had failed to make it even remotely dangerous. But they withheld that from the public. Why would he be seeking Yellow cake, when he had yellow cake? It makes no sense.
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The insurgency, might not have been if the war had been handled properly.


this has been the basis of my opposition to the war since 2002.

those currently in charge were incapable of handilng such a difficult war properly, and thus the mission was over before it even started. whether or not the mission was a good one or a bad one is irrelevant, since it was never going to succeed in the first place.
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I did not know that. Thank You for informing me.
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awaits for obligatory STING remarks about how smashingly it's all going and how those on the Left like Dread are desperate to find something going wrong in Iraq because they just hate Bush
well you wont hear it from me. i used to support the war, not so much now. it seems we arent accomplishing anything over there except being a presence and getting in firefights every so often. we need to start kicking ass and making these people fear us the way we feared them after 9/11.
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well, by the logic of some, if you are opposed to the war in Iraq, or simply think it's anything less than an unqualified success, you are therefore a member of the Left.
I am not opposed to the war. I still think Iraq needed to be delt with. I am opposed to the way it has been handled. I am opposed to manipulating the American public with half pieces of information.

I believe we have created more terrorists because of the situation.
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well, by the logic of some, if you are opposed to the war in Iraq, or simply think it's anything less than an unqualified success, you are therefore a member of the Left.
i guess im a member of the left them.
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I believe we have created more terrorists because of the situation.
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I believe we have created more terrorists because of the situation.
a policy that deals with terrorists like i posted damn sure wouldnt create more terrorists.
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a policy that deals with terrorists like i posted damn sure wouldnt create more terrorists.
Of course it would, probably a lot quicker than the current policy.
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Of course it would, probably a lot quicker than the current policy.
how so? even the terrorists must care about their families. you think someone that wanted to become a terrorist, or people that commit terrorism, but arent like the radicals would risk them all being tortured and killed?
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I am not opposed to the war. I still think Iraq needed to be delt with. I am opposed to the way it has been handled. I am opposed to manipulating the American public with half pieces of information.

I believe we have created more terrorists because of the situation.


dammit, Dread -- will you stop with the thoughtful nuance and informed understanding of events! either Saddam Hussein was a meanace and had to be dealt with in March of 2003 in precisely the way Bush handled it, or you hate freedom and love terror.
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The Council on Foreign Relations (A group Sting and I both admire) has this to say...

This report clearly shows how the administrations policy and the leadership up at the top (Generals) have created the terrorist situation in Iraq.

http://www.cdi.org/PDFs/25%20May%20P...%20Project.pdf
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Max Boot....a major war supporter talks about troop levels...

[Q]I have never been a dogmatist on the issue of troop levels. I was not one of those who criticized the original invasion force in 2003 for being too small. There were enough troops to take Baghdad, and there were legitimate reasons to fear that sending too many Americans would cause a backlash. Better to have focused on supporting Iraqi security forces—except there were none to support. The Iraqi army was dissolved by the U.S., and no serious effort was made for a whole year to field a replacement force, creating a security vacuum that has never been filled.[/Q]

Security vacuum.....

Leads to terrorism????

[Q]The situation is particularly dire in Iraq’s capital. In May, according to the Los Angeles Times, 2,155 homicides occurred in Baghdad, 85% of the national total. [/Q]

Sounds like we created a problem??? No???

Oh why do they hate us? Why would Osama want Bush to win>???

http://www.cfr.org/publication/11011...dcrumb=default
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