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Old 07-12-2006, 02:27 PM   #211
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We do our best to be human beings and provide a moral model for others.
Well it seems to be failing. Faith in humanity is like finding a needle in a haystack. We are an arrogant, careless species.
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Old 07-12-2006, 02:31 PM   #212
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Well it seems to be failing. Faith in humanity is like finding a needle in a haystack. We are an arrogant, careless species.
Perhaps. But the alternative isn't much better. Better to have at least some of the people in the world aspiring to something better than just to give up and surrender to brutality.

And. . .I say this gingerly as I don't want to set off a firestorm and send this thread off track, but. . .my faith isn't in humanity, becasue we all do fail. Your summation is quite accurate. That's why my faith is in God. He is the hope as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 07-12-2006, 02:36 PM   #213
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I am Catholic and I have been reading this book "A History of God" I sometimes wonder to myself why is it when I pray deeply no one is there to answer me. I even asked my self and this may sound retarded, but I think I am Atheist now towards my Religon, but not to god. I think god only answer the real needy people. I even think God has given up on us and our ways of treating each other, and thats why we seek revenge and kill with out judgement from God himself. In the bible God seems to punish the wicked, but We have taken that role now.
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Note we did not need to use Nazi tactics to defeat the Nazis.

yeah, but what if it turns out thats what it takes to defeat these terrorists? to fight fire with fire?

compairing the terrorists to nazis is like compairing apples and oranges. i'd say most of the nazi's werent as committed as these terrorists are to their causes. i'd say most of the nazis were just ordinary germans fighting for their country. now, i am no way defending the nazi party or what the did mind you. the nazis were an accual army that you could stand and fight. these sneaky bastard terrorist hide in the shadows waiting to strike at the right moment, then go hide in mountains afterward. plus, the terrorists are religious fanatics, bent on death and destruction of the western world. they will not be swayed, they will not be persuaded otherwise, whereas the nazi soldiers, like i said earlier, were just average joes fighting for their country, they might not even have agreed with their government, but they had to out of fear. they might've gladly surrendered towards the end of that war. the terrorists will never give up, will never stop their destruction as long as we continue the way we are going with our tactics.
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yeah, but what if it turns out thats what it takes to defeat these terrorists? to fight fire with fire?


then they win.
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then they win.
Agreed. I am in training to become an Army National Guard Infantry officer - there is nothing in our doctrine that teaches us that chopping off heads is acceptable. Chopping off heads is a war crime. And if one of my men commits this crime, he will be brought up on charges - period.

Rapes, murders, and body desecrations will only undermine our cause and enrage the enemy.
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I have a question. With all the acts we do to each other, Murder, Rape, etc... What gives us Hope that we will change and stop such acts, like beheadings, Tortuing,etc..
We have to do better.
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Agreed. I am in training to become an Army National Guard Infantry officer - there is nothing in our doctrine that teaches us that chopping off heads is acceptable. Chopping off heads is a war crime. And if one of my men commits this crime, he will be brought up on charges - period.

Rapes, murders, and body desecrations will only undermine our cause and enrage the enemy.
I guess we agree on something. best of luck on your training.
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I guess we agree on something. best of luck on your training.
Thanks! Almost done...and then the REAL fun begins...
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We have to do better.
Doing better is not an option in this world. With religous differences, sexuality, Racism, War, Power, Money. Beheadings will continue, the death of our men and woman soldiers will continue. Peace in the middle east will never be and with the new threat in Asia we are doomed to suffer more.
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Doing better is not an option in this world. With religous differences, sexuality, Racism, War, Power, Money. Beheadings will continue, the death of our men and woman soldiers will continue. Peace in the middle east will never be and with the new threat in Asia we are doomed to suffer more.
I don't agree--we don't have to accept the morality of the insurgents. I don't.
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Summarize for me what you would have done better to fix this problem in Iraq. Especially after these incidents.
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Thanks! Almost done...and then the REAL fun begins...
Been there done that!!!!
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Summarize for me what you would have done better to fix this problem in Iraq. Especially after these incidents.
I would have fired Donald Rumsfeld three years ago, for starters. Those neocon jokers should be ashamed of themselves.
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I too would have fired him. I would rather have Colin Powell and experienced soldier be secretary of Defense.
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