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Old 04-13-2008, 09:58 PM   #46
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Tell me diamond, how is he not a bigot?

Given all that has plagued African American communities in America, this man has chosen to blame the downfall of the black community on homosexuality. That's such a far-fetched notion that it's not just bigotted, it's ignorant. I would like to see anyone, anyone find some solid evidence to back his claim up.
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Old 04-13-2008, 10:35 PM   #47
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Tell me diamond, how is he not a bigot?

Given all that has plagued African American communities in America, this man has chosen to blame the downfall of the black community on homosexuality. That's such a far-fetched notion that it's not just bigotted, it's ignorant. I would like to see anyone, anyone find some solid evidence to back his claim up.
By suggesting that because he doesn't agree that skin pigmentation and sexual orientation are the same thing doesn't make him a bigot, it means his views and beliefs systems are different, in which he is entitled.




I think he's aggravated that he feels some in the black community are being "duped" by this ideology.

Other sub groups are starting to speak out, so to avoid this turning into a timber box and raging fire my suggestion is this:

keep the definition of marriage what it is -a union either religious or secular between a man and a woman.

and people who want to divert from that and be joined as one can have the word "matrimony".

gay-matrimony, malematrimony, femalematrimony. maleholymatrimony
etc etc.

For census reporting and alot of other reasons this could keep things orderly and a win win for all parties.

There's your solution, but of course this won't sit well for some as it's funner and more exciting to argue than reach agreement.

Rack up those post counts FYMinders.



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So, the only two reasons anyone has coughed up are:

1. The dictionary says what marriage is and we shouldn't change it. (and DB was serious)

2. Won't somebody think of the children! (and those two posters were just bringing it up)

And we've been treated once again to stories about missed income opportunities (like those have anything to do with gays getting married), and articles by terrified "straight" men about how the gays are to blame for _________.


So much for secular arguments against gay marriage.

Ok now.
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So much for secular arguments against gay marriage.

Ok now.
I think we've had this debate more than I care to remember, and it usually boils down to emotionally insecure boys objecting to something 'icky' joining their exclusive club.

We've had same-sex marriages for years now, and everybody's doing fine over here.
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We've had same-sex marriages for years now, and everybody's doing fine over here.
You lie.
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So, the only two reasons anyone has coughed up are:

1. The dictionary says what marriage is and we shouldn't change it. (and DB was serious)

2. Won't somebody think of the children! (and those two posters were just bringing it up)

And we've been treated once again to stories about missed income opportunities (like those have anything to do with gays getting married), and articles by terrified "straight" men about how the gays are to blame for _________.


So much for secular arguments against gay marriage.

Ok now.
See my census reason.

Don't call it marrige because that denotes something else.

So the Govt can track all subgroups fairly (who are bethrothed-straightly or gayly) and be sure all ppl receive benefits equally this way there would be automatic checks and balances for sub groups.


How's that for my secular progressive open minded some what religious govt loving agency folk?

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Don't call it marrige because that denotes something else.

What?
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Why is homosexual* marriage wrong?

First>>>

The Flintstones had a gay* ole time!

(my small part in trying to recover the word to it's original meaning)


Why?

I believe the scriptures teach that it is a sin.
It is against the natural order of a woman and man raising a child together.

It is wrong.

That is what I believe.
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What?
Man and a Woman.

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I don't think the main reason people get married is to "celebrate their commitment to one another" it's one of the reasons, apparently you do as well as most secularists I suppose think it's a main reason -it appears based on yours and others posts.
What would you say is the main reason?
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I believe the scriptures teach that it is a sin.
It is against the natural order of a woman and man raising a child together.

It is wrong.

That is what I believe.
That ain't secular.
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Man and a Woman.

Definitions change.
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I believe the scriptures teach that it is a sin.
It is against the natural order of a woman and man raising a child together.

It is wrong.

That is what I believe.


could you unpack *why* it is wrong? could you tell me where the bible talks about gay marriage? could you tell me why it is not wrong, then, to eat shellfish and to have sex with your wife while she is having her period?

i just want to know. because it seems the selectivity with which the solemn, holier-than-thou "it is wrong/that is what i believe" really only applies when we'd like to defend the indefensible.

as for children ... that's such a simplistic understanding of what goes into a family that it doesn't seem based in reality whatsoever. how are two gay people any different than two straight people who choose not to have children together? is that equally unnatural?

as for diamond's example -- it really doesn't surprise me that straight black men would blame gay black men for their shortcomings. after all, white people blame Mexicans for things, why would black people be any more exempt from scapegoating. and many conservative white people draw a sense of superiority from notions of American-ness, that they somehow liberated France in 1945 and personally put a man on the moon, and so why wouldn't some black people draw a false sense of pride out of not being gay?

wildly disappointed by the anti-marriage equality folks.

this all you got?
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It is against the natural order of a woman and man raising a child together.

So is divorce then. Let's outlaw that.
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Why is homosexual* marriage wrong?

First>>>

The Flintstones had a gay* ole time!

(my small part in trying to recover the word to it's original meaning)


Why?

I believe the scriptures teach that it is a sin.
It is against the natural order of a woman and man raising a child together.

It is wrong.

That is what I believe.
Not only is this disappointing in the sense that you don't quite grasp the bible, but it's also VERY disappointing that you completely dismiss your libertarian views for your own bigotry...
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