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Old 04-27-2008, 04:10 PM   #406
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I want clarification, do you support or oppose gays and lesbians being allowed to enter into marriage contracts. It is more than just semantics.
every legal benefit afforded hetros who enter into a marriage contract should be afforded to same sex cpls who want to enter into the same type of matrimonial or civil contract.

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I can have so much fun in this thread, but I realize the volaitilty of the subject so I won't.
First off, thanks for sparing us.

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because marriage by it's definition involves people of opposite genders, period. Accept that truth and the gay community can move forward more quickly reaping the benefits of the hetrosexual community.
I don't get this argument about the definition being such and such and therefore it can never change. Voting used to be exclusively for white males. An African American used to be considered only 3/5ths of a person. It used to be illegal for African Americans to go to the same schools as white Americans. All these terms and rights used to be defined in a certain way, and yet what happened? The definitions changed.

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every legal benefit afforded hetros who enter into a marriage contract should be afforded to same sex cpls who want to enter into the same type of matrimonial or civil contract.
Fine, then. We'll call it equal, but separate.
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as those in the 70s who said that legalizing abortion would not lead to euthanasia. Yet here we are.
First, can you cite some examples of this line of thinking form the 70s?

And second, where indeed are we? Where is it legal? How fast are we sliding down this particular slippery slope? (I looked it up, but I'd like you to go on record.)
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First off, thanks for sparing us.



I don't get this argument about the definition being such and such and therefore it can never change. Voting used to be exclusively for white males. An African American used to be considered only 3/5ths of a person. It used to be illegal for African Americans to go to the same schools as white Americans. All these terms and rights used to be defined in a certain way, and yet what happened? The definitions changed.


I'm sorry you don't get it.
It's not that difficult.

I like order and clarity in the defintion of words and not segues into topics unrelated.

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every legal benefit afforded hetros who enter into a marriage contract should be afforded to same sex cpls who want to enter into the same type of matrimonial or civil contract.

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it amazes me that you seem to think that this is really very big of you.

anyway, here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/ma...50f&ei=5087%0A

it's a good read. everyone should take a crack at it.
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I'm sorry you don't get it.
It's not that difficult.
I agree, it's not that difficult to modify the definitions of words when a desire for equality and social justice demands it. It's just difficult to change the stubborn minds of those who don't like the idea of it despite the fact that it wouldn't affect them in any way.
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