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Old 09-07-2005, 11:40 AM   #1
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why i am so fucking angry.

seriously, i mean this as a (somewhat self-absorbed) mea culpa.

the more i learn about the Katrina disaster, the more enraged i become. please read the following account as it has become the ground zero of the rage i feel as both an American and as a human being for the failures that created so much unnecessary suffering:



Denise said she thought she was in hell. they were there for 2 days, with no water, no food. no shelter. Denise, her mother (63 years old), her niece (21 years old), and 2-year-old grandniece. when they arrived, there were already thousands of people there. they were told that buses were coming. police drove by, windows rolled up, thumbs up signs. national guard trucks rolled by, completely empty, soldiers with guns cocked and aimed at them. nobody stopped to drop off water. a helicopter dropped a load of water, but all the bottles exploded on impact due to the height of the helicopter.

the first day (Wednesday) 4 people died next to her. the second day (Thursday) 6 people died next to her. Denise told me the people around her all thought they had been sent there to die. again, nobody stopped. the only buses that came were full; they dropped off more and more people, but nobody was being picked up and taken away. they found out that those being dropped off had been rescued from rooftops and attics; they got off the buses delirious from lack of water and food. completely dehydrated. the crowd tried to keep them all in one area; Denise said the new arrivals had mostly lost their minds. they had gone crazy.

inside the convention center, the place was one huge bathroom. in order to shit, you had to stand in other people's shit. the floors were black and slick with shit. most people stayed outside because the smell was so bad. but outside wasn't much better: between the heat, the humidity, the lack of water, the old and very young dying from dehydration... and there was no place to lay down, not even room on the sidewalk. they slept outside Wednesday night, under an overpass.

Denise said yes, there were young men with guns there. but they organized the crowd. they went to Canal Street and "looted," and brought back food and water for the old people and the babies, because nobody had eaten in days. when the police rolled down windows and yelled out "the buses are coming," the young men with guns organized the crowd in order: old people in front, women and children next, men in the back. just so that when the buses came, there would be priorities of who got out first.

Denise said the fights she saw between the young men with guns were fist fights. she saw them put their guns down and fight rather than shoot up the crowd. but she said that there were a handful of people shot in the convention center; their bodies were left inside, along with other dead babies and old people.

Denise said the people thought there were being sent there to die. lots of people being dropped off, nobody being picked up. cops passing by, speeding off. national guard rolling by with guns aimed at them. and yes, a few men shot at the police, because at a certain point all the people thought the cops were coming to hurt them, to kill them all. she saw a young man who had stolen a car speed past, cops in pursuit; he crashed the car, got out and ran, and the cops shot him in the back. in front of the whole crowd. she saw many groups of people decide that they were going to walk across the bridge to the west bank, and those same groups would return, saying that they were met at the top of the bridge by armed police ordering them to turn around, that they weren't allowed to leave.

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/6/211436/8987
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I feel the rage too

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I don't see why you feel the need to say mea culpa Irvine, I don't think you've done anything "wrong"

It all boils down to anger over what these people have gone through, I can't begin to imagine how they feel
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I can't even begin to imagine the mental scars survivors are going to have after this...
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Re: why i am so fucking angry.

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Denise said she thought she was in hell. they were there for 2 days, with no water, no food. no shelter. Denise, her mother (63 years old), her niece (21 years old), and 2-year-old grandniece. when they arrived, there were already thousands of people there. they were told that buses were coming. police drove by, windows rolled up, thumbs up signs. national guard trucks rolled by, completely empty, soldiers with guns cocked and aimed at them. nobody stopped to drop off water. a helicopter dropped a load of water, but all the bottles exploded on impact due to the height of the helicopter.

the first day (Wednesday) 4 people died next to her. the second day (Thursday) 6 people died next to her. Denise told me the people around her all thought they had been sent there to die. again, nobody stopped. the only buses that came were full; they dropped off more and more people, but nobody was being picked up and taken away. they found out that those being dropped off had been rescued from rooftops and attics; they got off the buses delirious from lack of water and food. completely dehydrated. the crowd tried to keep them all in one area; Denise said the new arrivals had mostly lost their minds. they had gone crazy.

inside the convention center, the place was one huge bathroom. in order to shit, you had to stand in other people's shit. the floors were black and slick with shit. most people stayed outside because the smell was so bad. but outside wasn't much better: between the heat, the humidity, the lack of water, the old and very young dying from dehydration... and there was no place to lay down, not even room on the sidewalk. they slept outside Wednesday night, under an overpass.

Denise said yes, there were young men with guns there. but they organized the crowd. they went to Canal Street and "looted," and brought back food and water for the old people and the babies, because nobody had eaten in days. when the police rolled down windows and yelled out "the buses are coming," the young men with guns organized the crowd in order: old people in front, women and children next, men in the back. just so that when the buses came, there would be priorities of who got out first.

Denise said the fights she saw between the young men with guns were fist fights. she saw them put their guns down and fight rather than shoot up the crowd. but she said that there were a handful of people shot in the convention center; their bodies were left inside, along with other dead babies and old people.

Denise said the people thought there were being sent there to die. lots of people being dropped off, nobody being picked up. cops passing by, speeding off. national guard rolling by with guns aimed at them. and yes, a few men shot at the police, because at a certain point all the people thought the cops were coming to hurt them, to kill them all. she saw a young man who had stolen a car speed past, cops in pursuit; he crashed the car, got out and ran, and the cops shot him in the back. in front of the whole crowd. she saw many groups of people decide that they were going to walk across the bridge to the west bank, and those same groups would return, saying that they were met at the top of the bridge by armed police ordering them to turn around, that they weren't allowed to leave.

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/6/211436/8987
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I have been praying for these people every day. I have been trying to help as much from my home town as I can. 750 people are coming here to the coliseum today. We are collecting food for the food bank to provide them with 3 meals a day & clean clothes. Then I read today about pets being ripped from peoples arms in the SuperDome--perhaps the last bit of hope some people had. I just about broke down at work reading this.
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Reading this makes me so fucking angry right now. Nobody really gave or gives a shit about these people and it's despicable.

Sorry for the swearing but this is just completely wrong with what these people are enduring.
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Who is this Denesha?

You know how those people lie.



There is no evidense to back up this crap.


Our President is sending Hon. Dick Cheney
to this part of the country.

He will tell us the truth.
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Re: why i am so fucking angry.

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Originally posted by Irvine511
seriously, i mean this as a (somewhat self-absorbed) mea culpa.

the more i learn about the Katrina disaster, the more enraged i become. please read the following account as it has become the ground zero of the rage i feel as both an American and as a human being for the failures that created so much unnecessary suffering:

I feel the same way. I've can't imagine how the victims feel. I've been alternately furious and sick to my stomach at the incompetence and needless suffering.

It's time for this administration to finally hold someone in the administration accountable.
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You haven't done anything wrong that I've seen. I feel your pain.
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Nobody really gave or gives a shit about these people and it's despicable.

Rescues performed 32,000

Shelters 559

People housed in shelters 182,000

FEMA responders 7,000

U.S. Coast Guard personnel 4,000

National Guard personnel 43,000

Active Duty Military 15,000

MREs provided (meals) 11.3 million

Water provided (liters) 18 million

On the Net: www.fema.gov.
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MREs provided (meals) 11.3 million

Water provided (liters) 18 million

On the Net: www.fema.gov.
"Okay, so it was a little late, but hey the water got there eventually, right? A person can go without water for a few days, it won't kill them. Oh, it will? Ooops, our bad."


Yes, I know the aid is getting there now. That's great. The issue isn't how much, it's how long.
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I'm pissed. The suffering these people are going through as a result of bungling bureaucrats and officials is unimaginable. I'm coping with the rage by participating in two events. One is a diocesan fund-raiser and the other is a food collection project that's going to be operating in the town of Cullman near here where I have alot of friends.
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The suffering these people are going through as a result of bungling bureaucrats and officials is unimaginable. I'm coping with the rage by participating in two events. One is a diocesan fund-raiser and the other is a food collection project that's going to be operating in the town of Cullman near here where I have alot of friends.
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good for you verte, turning anger into positive action is commendable
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