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Old 01-28-2003, 11:43 AM   #16
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He's protecting his sources. By revealing them he's puttting people and the future of more revealed truths at risk. Things have to be in place before he can spout off all this stuff. I don't understand how people can think that Bush wants a war. The notion that he's eager to put all those innocent lives at stake, meaning our young men and women as well as innocent Iraqi civilians is crazy. I believe it is always good to have dissenters of war. We need to be forced to look at all sides. I completely understand why many people are angry about the prospect of war. But, to say that the only reason Bush wants to do this is for his own political gain, or only for the oil is plain stupid.
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Oh, and nobody seem to like western Canada , there was a bias from the news ppl.

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you are very right about the bias against western canada. eastern federal politicians dont give a rats ass about western canada cause the bulk of the people (votes) live in or east of ontario.

im actually quite surprised you picked up on that, that quickly.
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He's protecting his sources. By revealing them he's puttting people and the future of more revealed truths at risk. Things have to be in place before he can spout off all this stuff. I don't understand how people can think that Bush wants a war. The notion that he's eager to put all those innocent lives at stake, meaning our young men and women as well as innocent Iraqi civilians is crazy. I believe it is always good to have dissenters of war. We need to be forced to look at all sides. I completely understand why many people are angry about the prospect of war. But, to say that the only reason Bush wants to do this is for his own political gain, or only for the oil is plain stupid.
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Old 01-28-2003, 03:27 PM   #21
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The evidence is already there. Its the fact that Iraq has failed to hand over or show the evidence of their destruction, 15,000 Chemical and Biological shells! The UN confirmed that Iraq had this back in 1998, that is a fact. Now where the hell is it?!?! There are only two possible outcomes, their still intact or they were destroyed. If their still intact they must be handed over. If they were destroyed, the remains must be shown to the UN inspectors. Neither of those two things have happened. Iraq would certainly have no reason to hide the remains of destroyed Chem/Bio weapons, so one has to conclude that they still have these weapons intact and have not handed them over.

Until Iraq accounts for 15,000 shells and other "missing" items, this is all the proof anyone needs that Iraq still has weapons of mass destruction. In addition, the UN inspectors have been refused overflights by U2 planes! This is a violation of several UN resolutions and the 1991 UN Ceacefire agreement.

It is not incumbent on the Bush administration to prove that Iraq still has weapons of mass destruction. It is incumbent upon Iraq to prove that they do not have weapons of mass destruction!

This should no surprise to anyone since it was spelled out clearly in the UN resolutions and 1991 Gulf War Ceacefire agreement.

According to the 1991 Gulf War Ceacefire agreement and the UN resolutions, the UN member states are obligated to enforce the conditions of the ceacefire agreement with military force if necessary. Violation of the 1991 Gulf War Ceacefire agreement is an act of war. Iraq must give up the 15,000 Chem/Bio shells and other Chem/Bio/Nuclear materials that it has as per its obligations under multiple UN resolutions and the 1991 UN ceacefire agreement. Failure to do this could result in military enforcement called for in the above resolutions and ceacefire agreement.
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In addition, the UN inspectors have been refused overflights by U2 planes! This is a violation of several UN resolutions and the 1991 UN Ceacefire agreement.
your forgetting an important detail. these planes can easily be confused as "regular" enemy aircraft, there is little way that the iraqi militairy can distinguish between the two.
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your forgetting an important detail. these planes can easily be confused as "regular" enemy aircraft, there is little way that the iraqi militairy can distinguish between the two.
And I think Sting mixes up also one other thing, a letter. Those are US U2 planes, not UN. The US wants to have those U2 planes, the UN inspectors are not demanding those flights.

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ya but popmartijn, the us IS the un.
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After revealing the locations of the WMD - I doubt it would be longer than minutes before they are destroyed.

It's a matter of saying, look, we know exactly where these things are - and you won't have time to evacuate, or move them, unless you can do it in the next five minutes.

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Old 01-28-2003, 06:49 PM   #26
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I say, if they HAVE the evidence, present it.

if they don't, let the u.n. inspectors stay there for the next 10 years.

those of you who say they don't have the evidence, how do you know? oh yeah.....you all work for the CIA.

those of you who think bush doesn't want the war, you're kidding yourselves....but hey, I'm not GW.
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Cow,

"your forgetting an important detail. these planes can easily be confused as "regular" enemy aircraft, there is little way that the iraqi militairy can distinguish between the two"

That is irrelevant! Iraq has already signed resolutions and a ceacefire agreement all of which give the UN the right to use ANY means to enforce those resolutions! Iraq's excuse is rubbish!

Popmartian,

I cannot recall all of the complaints that Hans Blix had, but he did say that Iraq was failing to comply with weapons inspections. The UN can use any plane or piece of equipment that will enable it to accomplish its mission which is to 100% disarm Iraq of WMD!

Again, where are the 15,000 Chemical and Biological shells in addition to tons of other WMD materials? Iraq must give them up or show the remains of their destruction!
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Re: Re: Re: Why doesn't Bush offer proof on Iraq?

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good posts olive, mark and NB.


gab-
i think you are mistaken.
i think GW has the evidence, and is waiting for the proper time to tip his hand.
i think GW is more of a compassionate man then u realize and what the left media attempts to paint him as.

btw- do you still listen to Rush the Canadian rock band.?

thank u-

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And yes, Radiohead's last album still sucks shit. LMAO
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Yesssiireee...the infamous Diamond Does Toronto trip...

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