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Old 07-08-2005, 07:09 PM   #31
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The words America and Americans to describe this country/colony have been used a long time.For example, Nathaneal Greene, a general in the American Revolution, used the term "America" referring to the United Colonies in a letter to a friend. Again, in a letter by Greene to John Adams, he used the term "American politics". Both the British and rebels used the terms America and Americans. So, no, their usage does not reflect any extreme pride or jingoism as they have a long history of usage.
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I make it a habit to say "U.S" or "United States" or "North America" because I've heard it is offensive to other countries that make up the Americas to refer to the U.S. as "America". However, whenever I have traveled abroad people refer to me as "American" and I watch BBC news every night and the reporters constantly refer to the U.S. as "America."


So I don't think it's a matter of arrogance. Most of the world and most of the people living here think of "America" and the U.S. as the same thing.
"My fellow United Statians" doesn't sound as good as "My fellow 'Mericans".

I lived in the States for 3 years, and I found that it tends to be the rest of us who use the term 'America'. Almost everyone I met when I was living there referred to 'The US' or 'The States'. Even though I moved back to England in 1992, I still find it weird when people talk about 'America'. Or 'Merica, even.

Re, the earlier comment on Holland:

My degree in Dutch Studies taught me the answer to this. I just spend 10 minutes explaining and my comp crashed just as I finished typing.
As it's nearly 5am here and I can't be arsed typing it all out again...

The province of Holland was the cultural, political and economic center of the United Provinces. The greatest cities of the provinces were located within the province of Holland such as Amsterdam (the capital), Rotterdam, Leiden, the Hague (the seat of government), Delft and Haarlem. From the great port cities of Holland, Dutch merchants sailed to and from destinations all over Europe, and merchants from all over Europe gathered to trade in the warehouses of Amsterdam and other trading cities of Holland. As a result, many Europeans heard of the United Provinces first as "Holland" rather than "Republic of the Seven United Provinces of the Netherlands". This tradition continues to this day.
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My sense is that foreigners call the U.S., "America" just to follow the U.S. example...
Maybe orginally, but in my experience here in the UK, Americans here tend to say either "the U.S." or "the States," while 99% of British people I've spoken to call it "America." I always say I'm from "the U.S." (because lots of people assume I'm Canadian), and sometimes get a confused look, a pause, and a "The what? Oh, you mean America!"
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Re: Why does the U.S. call itself "America"?

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Doesn't it seem too pretentious to you to have a country that actually uses name of the whole continent to call just their own country?
Yes. The term 'American' in reference to solely people from the USA is bigoted and ........ I've just edited my post as this topic makes my blood BOIL!!!!

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Re: Re: Why does the U.S. call itself "America"?

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Yes. The term 'American' in reference to solely people from the USA is bigoted and ........ I've just edited my post as this topic makes my blood BOIL!!!!

Im out.
Damn! I would have loved to have read your post before you edited.

I still think we should have gone for a cool name instead of a bland one. But I guess now we're stuck with it.
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I've only read the first page of this thread so I may be way off/arguments already used by now, but...

I'm Canadian and part of North America. I've never been offended (nor have I heard of anyone except the virulently Anti-American) by someone using the term "American" to describe a resident of the United States of America.

I mean hell, there's all sorts of precedent:

- People's Republic of China: they call themselves the "Chinese", not the "Peoplesians".
- Democratic People's Republic of Korea: call themselves the "Koreans", not the "Democrats".

I don't see why it's a problem to anyone. Nobody gets offended by it or thinks it's American arrogance.
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In Canada, we never say "America", always "United States", for obvious reasons.
Nice generalization.

I say "America" all the time.

And what "obvious reasons?"
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Nice generalization.

I say "America" all the time.

And what "obvious reasons?"
Really?? Wow. Sorry. I *never* heard anybody say "America" here. Here being Montréal to Ottawa. That's not all of Canada of course. I didn't mean to generalize...! But even in the Canadian media, I never heard America.

Reasons? Well because we're also in "America".
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The province of Holland was the cultural, political and economic center of the United Provinces. The greatest cities of the provinces were located within the province of Holland such as Amsterdam (the capital), Rotterdam, Leiden, the Hague (the seat of government), Delft and Haarlem. From the great port cities of Holland, Dutch merchants sailed to and from destinations all over Europe, and merchants from all over Europe gathered to trade in the warehouses of Amsterdam and other trading cities of Holland. As a result, many Europeans heard of the United Provinces first as "Holland" rather than "Republic of the Seven United Provinces of the Netherlands". This tradition continues to this day.
Yep.
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I always say I'm from "the U.S." (because lots of people assume I'm Canadian), and sometimes get a confused look, a pause, and a "The what? Oh, you mean America!"
Why do people assume you're from Canada?
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I never call the U.S. "America". It's the United States. But when I'm referring to my nationality, "American" is the only term I'm familiar with. "North America" wouldn't do because that would include Canada. I agree that it's really not fair or accurate, but there doesn't seem to be an alternative.
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Why do people assume you're from Canada?
Because my accent isn't very strong. Even Canadians think I'm Canadian.
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Because my accent isn't very strong. Even Canadians think I'm Canadian.
Are we supposed to have a strong accent?

I get the same thing sometimes, actually.

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Re: Why does the U.S. call itself "America"?

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Doesn't it seem too pretentious to you to have a country that actually uses name of the whole continent to call just their own country?

Yes, some people may argue that it is more practical to call U.S. citizens like that (the word "unitedstatian" does not exist) and that the full name of the country is "United States of America" and so on... but I can't get over the fact that it may sound like an act of disrespect towards the rest of the people living in the same continent (which are also "Americans").

With the same argument, if Italy was called "Italian Republic of Europe", then Italians would be "Europeans", following the same line of thought.

I might be overreacting and perhaps missing some historical fact that gives the U.S. the right to use the name of the continent, but I am curious about how you feel about this...

Why does "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" callitself "the UK, or "Britain" ?

Because it's shorter...
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Are we supposed to have a strong accent?

I mean that I've lost some of my American accent. Everyone describes my accent as "soft." I guess because it's not very brassy and I don't have any obvious regional accent.
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