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Old 03-07-2005, 05:30 PM   #136
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Please give me a freakin break. Over and over again Libs have been bashed as unpatriotic, elitists ect.

I want to really know how NBC ect can support the domestic policies of the Bush admin. as a Christian. No bashing intended. I want the justificatation for support of his policies. I don't exactly put Dread in that catagory except as devil's advocate

Seriously, my step-father in law is a conservative fundamentalist Baptist whom has supported the admin until lately. My mother-in-law and i have been having frank calm discussions with him and after a few months he can no longer explain his fidelity to Bush. Mostly after exposure to other explanations for events other than FOX. \

I'm not an elitist, I want to know and maybe really debate interpretations.
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Old 03-07-2005, 05:39 PM   #137
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yea, nb, like this Truth:


The test of a Christian's Faith is the degree to which they devote AS MUCH OF THEIR LIFE AS POSSIBLE to the direct alleviation of others' pain and suffering in the world.

All the pretty churches and all the sweet sounding hymns in the world means nothing to the God of the New Testament. It is what YOU DO for others that will get you into Heaven.

And many christians just don't get it.
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I want to really know how NBC ect can support the domestic policies of the Bush admin. as a Christian. No bashing intended. I want the justificatation for support of his policies. I don't exactly put Dread in that catagory except as devil's advocate

I'm not an elitist, I want to know and maybe really debate interpretations.
Thanks.
Its all good. And an interesting topic for discussion.

If we look at the spectrum of domestic issues, I'm not sure there is one "Christian" position for each issue.

We can look at issues in very general terms and make very general statements about what is the "Christian" thing to do.

Take poverty, for example. The Bible teaches us to help the poor. Does this mean we look to the government to completely solve the problem? Can government solve the problem? At what funding level does the social policy become "Christian"?

Or "gay marriage" - there is a clear divergence in what the Christian view is.

Would you like to make a list of domestic policy issues?
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Please give me a freakin break. Over and over again Libs have been bashed as unpatriotic, elitists ect.
Are we talking bashed in general, or in this forum?

I am sorry, but there is NO WAY, you can say the liberals in this forum have been bashed.

Give me a break!!!!!

Maybe God is revealing who God is in Liberal and Conservative ways! Maybe God is neither, but both.

Maybe not everything this administration does is EVIL, but suits God's purpose, in one way or another.
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yea, nb, like this Truth:


The test of a Christian's Faith is the degree to which they devote AS MUCH OF THEIR LIFE AS POSSIBLE to the direct alleviation of others' pain and suffering in the world.

All the pretty churches and all the sweet sounding hymns in the world means nothing to the God of the New Testament. It is what YOU DO for others that will get you into Heaven.

And many christians just don't get it.
Salvation is by grace alone, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:9

Our RESPONSE to God's gift of grace can take MANY forms.

Frankly, I am surprised at your open willingness to condem so many Christians based on your own standard of belief.
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Maybe not everything this administration does is EVIL, but suits God's purpose, in one way or another.
A very important consideration - we cannot see the things God sees.
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Old 03-07-2005, 05:54 PM   #142
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Take poverty, for example. The Bible teaches us to help the poor. Does this mean we look to the government to completely solve the problem? Can government solve the problem? At what funding level does the social policy become "Christian"?

I feel this is an OUTSTANDING point!

I do not want my governement taking my $$$$ and distributing it where they want to.

It is not the governments responsisbility to do this. back in the 1700's the people within a community helped their neighbor. the town, and local governments took care of their poor and needy, not the FEDERAL governement.

I would not be opposed to a more localized approach towards helping the poor because I am much more likely to be involved and have a say about the management of the money.

That said, the world judges the US by the contributions made by its government. WE forget that the American people give and give and give out of their pockets to many charities and organizations. This is somehow forgotten and not figured in.
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There's a book out called God's Politics that addresses this issue... Bono, in fact, is quoted on the back cover.... :0)
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Frankly, I am surprised at your open willingness to condem so many Christians based on your own standard of belief.
Could not have said it better myself.
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The test of a Christian's Faith is the degree to which they devote AS MUCH OF THEIR LIFE AS POSSIBLE to the direct alleviation of others' pain and suffering in the world.

All the pretty churches and all the sweet sounding hymns in the world means nothing to the God of the New Testament. It is what YOU DO for others that will get you into Heaven.

And many christians just don't get it.
the God of the New testament is the same exact God as the God of the Old testament.

God IS....Period.
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NBCrusader,

In the new testament, Jesus speaks out against elitism, greed, tax collectors, self-righteousness .. speaks for killing poverty, speaks for helping others before helping one's self.

There is no godly justification for Right-wing politics, but there is none for liberals either... but this isnt about liberal vs the right.. this is about the right, and the Right has it wrong
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The New Testament makes no statements about what a governement should do. If fact, Paul tells us in Romans that we should be good citizens (obedience to government).

That being said, I think it is far more important what we do individually. As Dread pointed out, individuals give to charity - money, time and talents.
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There was a reason I had no interest in this thread.

I remember it now.....

because good forum members like 80's U2 is Best and U2Bama (Who thankfully has been appearing again) do not feel welcome. Because when they and others have expressed their opinions in the past, they have been run out of town.

And the flipping and the cute faces people use when they bash these members...just do not cut it.
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Are we talking bashed in general, or in this forum?

I am sorry, but there is NO WAY, you can say the liberals in this forum have been bashed.
No I meant in RW media.

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Maybe God is revealing who God is in Liberal and Conservative ways! Maybe God is neither, but both.

Maybe not everything this administration does is EVIL, but suits God's purpose, in one way or another.
I agree God is not either.

In reply to both of you. I agree the gov't cannot eliminate poverty, but I want my tax dollars going to help eleviate the worst, especially supporting mothers and children (I don't believe in the fake welfare quessn shit anymore). I also want healthcare for all children with my tax dollars, maybe even for all citizens. I also agree individuals help is the most effective way to proceed, but it cannot accomplish care that our gov't can.

This only one issue and $$ seem to carry your opinion.

I think your bringing up 80's and U2Bama is bullshit, though I miss their input. FYM's composition comes and goes. Lately it's been more heavily on the consv. Christian side or the libs have been awful quiet. The lead up to the war was very stressful and we all took emotional hits, whether for or against. The election pounded a few more stakes. I know I've been sapped and hesitent to even get involved in discussions (course I'm sure my feelings are for much different reason - like how much worse can it get and it's only been 3 months)

So what about the new bankruptcy law, the new AIDS initiatives (or better yet the dimantleing), the deficit's burdon on our children, cutting education funding like head start. I can get a list.
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I think your bringing up 80's and U2Bama is bullshit, though I miss their input.
Was it also bullshit when I brought up Klaus, and emailed him trying to get him to stay.

Was it also bullshit when I defended Anitram when she was humiliated by a right winger in here?

The only thing that is Bullshit is the disrespect that some people throw around in here towards others. All four of the poeple I have mentioned have had valid reasons for leaving. So why is it Bullshit? This thread, which I believe was intended to open a dialogue, is not doing that at all.

Why is it Bullshit exactly....because they were opposed to what you stand for? See, I think your trolling in this thread is Bullshit. If I am wrong so be it. I do not honestly believe you want a dialogue with any conservative on their opions thoughts or beliefs.

Why would a conservative give you the time of day, when you associate the president and those who agree with his stance on the war with one of the most horrific villans in history? Why should we take your questions sincerely, when since I have been in the forum, there has been no posts indicating a sincere desire to have a dialogue? When so very clearly you have passed a judgement already?
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