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Old 09-17-2002, 05:54 AM   #16
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The war machine fuels the American economy

There is oil in Iraq

Why does Bush feel that he can over ride the wishes and concerns of both the UN and practically every 'western' country in the world- does this man have a plank of wood between his head??? is he a sadist and gets great pleasure from killing, maming, seeing countries struggle into economic dissaray and having countless people the world over despise both him and his policies........

I donīt think he is a sadist - he just doesnīt give a fuck, which is the same bad in his position. He doesnīt care, you know. He doesnīt care about children dying or his responsibility. He is just a criminal who thinks only about himself and his friends. His hands are full of blood, but he stays totally without any emotion towards the pain that he causes.

He doesnīt get a great pleasure from killing (if I look at his career, well.... - but I think he just pursued his career). He only gets pleasure from making money and from using his power. You know, he is an ill man. A true, one hundered percent capitalist. A mass murderer.

And you can bet that he knows what heīs doing, just like every psychopathic street killer whoīs able to lie to the... what do they call it... truth detector?
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Old 09-17-2002, 06:58 AM   #17
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FACT: Iraq invaded another country.
FACT: They lost a war.
FACT: They agreed to a CEASE FIRE.
FACT: They violated it.
FACT: They continue to violate it.
FACT: We went to the UN.
FACT: Saudi Arabia and Egypt changed their tunes towards invasion after the Bush speech.
FACT: Inspectors are going to be "allowed" in.
FACT: The White House should react with guarded hope. We have heard Saddam's tune before.
FACT: Itaq is TOAST if Saddam does not follow through this time. The UN will take action.

Sounds like the policy is working to me.


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I was hoping to get all of the Bush despisers to talk amongst themselves and discuss why his policies are the way that they are, like I said before, I dont want to hear people exclaiming why they love him or how great he is, no amount of that will ever make me be persuaded to believe that he is a decent human being...
Yes. The best way to approach a topic of global importance is to find a bunch of people that believe the same as you and then have at it. Please, no opposing view points here. I don't want to see something through anyone else's eyes. Then things wouldn't be so cut-and-dried.
I want clarity of thought, not truth.
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Old 09-17-2002, 11:25 AM   #19
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FACT: Iraq invaded another country.
FACT: They lost a war.
FACT: They agreed to a CEASE FIRE.
FACT: They violated it.
FACT: They continue to violate it.
FACT: We went to the UN.
FACT: Saudi Arabia and Egypt changed their tunes towards invasion after the Bush speech.
FACT: Inspectors are going to be "allowed" in.
FACT: The White House should react with guarded hope. We have heard Saddam's tune before.
FACT: Itaq is TOAST if Saddam does not follow through this time. The UN will take action.

Sounds like the policy is working to me.


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Dreadsox, please do not let facts get in the way of the Bush bashing.
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FACT: Itaq is TOAST if Saddam does not follow through this time.
I trust that when you make a statement like this, you realise it's not simply that "Iraq will be TOAST" it's "tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens will be brutally murdered." In all honesty, your statement seemed to show a complete lack of regard for the thousands of innocent lives which will be taken if the United States bombs Iraq.

Please, try putting yourself in the position of an Iraqi person - imagine how afraid you'd be if you heard that a country as militarily powerful as the United States was planning to bomb your country. Imagine if you remembered what that had been like back in 1991. Imagine how afraid you'd be, imagine how you'd want to protect your family but be unable to. Imagine being trapped there and not knowing if you'd still be alive tomorrow.

I know some people support bombing Iraq despite these things, but please at least show some understanding of the horrendous impact bombing will have on innocent Iraqi citizens, don't dehumanise them with statements like "Iraq will be toast."

(Sorry Dreadsox, I was replying to your statement to begin with, but I'm not actually directing all of this post at you specifically.)
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Old 09-17-2002, 12:22 PM   #21
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how can you say something anything like 'iraq will be toast'
haven't you thought of the thousands of people who have nothing to do with iraq apart from living in it (not as stupid as it sounds)......all these innocent people will die if 'iraq will be toast'...just think about it
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Dreadsox, please do not let facts get in the way of the Bush bashing.
yeah Dread..you are sorta interrupting the loving spirit of ppl from the left in this thread

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yeah Dread..you are sorta interrupting the loving spirit of ppl from the left in this thread

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Whats up with you dude?

I know we may have different political viewpoints, but your comments in this thread were reduced to pure cynicism.

No offense, but I think thats uncool, diamond. It neither fits your style nor your personality.

I am sure I got lots of more loving spirit than your idol Bush, and I donīt like when people joke me when I am, for one time, not showing it.

Ok, daddy?
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No prob HipHop w us.
I do think its uncool to bash ANY Pres in office tho regardless of ANY party affiliation.
Ok?
No worries..


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I do think its uncool to bash ANY Pres in office tho regardless of ANY party affiliation.
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Do you really think its uncool to bash any President in office? Why I ask myself. Several reasons possible, one of them that if you (I) were (was) in his (the Presidents) shoes, who knows what we would (have to) do (in order to stay alive and well).

I donīt think its particularly cool, but I think power should be controlled. W the President it canīt really be controlled, so at least some criticism is important - important for him, too (if he wasnīt the criminal he actually is - sorry to appear uncool now... thats life ).
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FACT: Itaq is TOAST if Saddam does not follow through this time. The UN will take action.



Peace to all.
First...I should never type that early in the morning. Excuse the Ttaq and change it to Iraq.

2nd: Poor choice of words toast. It was insensative. I will now correct it.

Please change this fact to:

FACT The United Nations will be forced to take action and remove the curent regime.

That sounds so much better than toast.
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I trust that when you make a statement like this, you realise it's not simply that "Iraq will be TOAST" it's "tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens will be brutally murdered." In all honesty, your statement seemed to show a complete lack of regard for the thousands of innocent lives which will be taken if the United States bombs Iraq.
Yes, and I have corrected my toast comment. I disagree with the term murder. The correct terms are "casualty of war" and unfortunatley "collateral damage". Murder is what their leader has done to their own population. Please, do not call the men and women who serve this country by putting their lives on the line murderes.

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Please, try putting yourself in the position of an Iraqi person - imagine how afraid you'd be if you heard that a country as militarily powerful as the United States was planning to bomb your country. Imagine if you remembered what that had been like back in 1991. Imagine how afraid you'd be, imagine how you'd want to protect your family but be unable to. Imagine being trapped there and not knowing if you'd still be alive tomorrow.
Having been a PROUD member of the United States Army in 1991 I understand everything you are saying. I remember how quickly they surrendered, to reporters and service people. They were terrified and beaten down. Unfortunately, Saddam is not going to line his troops up out in the open this time. They will be in the cities, next to schools, mosques, and hospitals and he will dare us to conduct another air campaign.

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I know some people support bombing Iraq despite these things, but please at least show some understanding of the horrendous impact bombing will have on innocent Iraqi citizens, don't dehumanise them with statements like "Iraq will be toast."[/B]
Again, words were poor. I am sorry. Brace yourself because if this goes down it will be worse than Desert Storm. Unfortunatley, the world is faced with a difficult decision.

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(Sorry Dreadsox, I was replying to your statement to begin with, but I'm not actually directing all of this post at you specifically.) [/B]
It's not personal. The facts are the facts. Debate is good in a democratic society.

Egypt and Saudi Arabia are suddenly in line with the Bush Administration and if the UN says go in and remove Saddam it will happen. Again, sorry about my poor word choice.

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FACT: Iraq invaded another country.


Ok, time for some homework peoples, why dont you all try and find out exactly who it was that initially gave an unoficial allowance for Iraq to gain entry into Kuwait in order to trade their oil from a sea port in the late 80s???and where was this oil going to end up- gee I wonder????- sometimes you know, what you perceive to be 'facts' are in fact wrong, or rather they have been politicised and used as propaganda, now you can all flame me for this one, but hey the American media in all of its various genres has never been very good at giving an un-biased and correct acount of events- they generally serve up sugary and patriotic tripe in order to keep the spoon fed masses under the thumb whilst wearing their rose coloured glasses or should that be stars'n'stripes??????
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Ok, time for some homework peoples, why dont you all try and find out exactly who it was that initially gave an unoficial allowance for Iraq to gain entry into Kuwait in order to trade their oil from a sea port in the late 80s???
Please....enlighten us with your accurate sources. It does not change the fact that Iraq invaded another country.

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I don't think Bush is that bad. He's probably an alright guy. I think he's probably nice enough, pretty funny, dumb as a plank of wood.

Bush is only a worry because he isn't that smart. He's just a monkey puppet. It's Cheney and Rumsfeld who are the real worry. If I could give one bit of advice to Bush it would be 'more Powell, less the other two'. At least problems would be getting fixed rather then more fucked up.

The argument with Iraq has so many holes in it, on both sides. As it stands, where the game is right now, this hour, I don't think either the 'for' or 'against' can really claim to win any argument. It's a real mess. I think an unnecessary mess. Now the situation with the UN has gotten really complicated really quickly. It's going to be a really really big deal from here on in.

I have a list of about 50 questions I'd love a few people here to answer, but Im afraid of what the thread would turn into... it's actually not political, just more 'what now' questions. I think you can forget asking whether or not the US should attack Iraq, it's going to happen, it's more how, when, under what law, what next, what happens to the UN, what happens to the world...

Iraq may end up getting themselves blown off the map, but in the process they may make the US look really terrible and may spark the beginning of the end of the UN. The winner is..?
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