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Old 06-15-2007, 01:01 AM   #46
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Church and my Christian faith has been the number one thing in my life growing up. I have gone to church pretty much every week for as long as I can remember. I help out with children's programs, am part of a number of groups and ministries, and have attended over a dozen various youth camps and retreats. All of that has contributed very much to my conservative values.

For example, I strongly believe in traditional marriage of one man and one woman, I do not want God taken out of the public square, I am opposed to abortion, and I believe in working hard to get ahead and do not expect things to be simply handed to me.

I would say 9/11 solidified my political beliefs, though I was only 13 when it happened. I wanted the United States to protect itself using whatever means necessary and to go after Al-Qaeda. I believe criminals should be punished- everyone from international terrorists down to local bank robbers and I believe in firmly punishing children who fight in schools.

Many of the things that Hillary Clinton or Harry Reid or Keith Olbermann say scare the living daylights out of me, and I really dont want the likes of them being the future of the country. I feel they do not see the consequences of leaving Iraq and the gross immorality of abandoning the Iraqi people when they need us most.

Also, I have my ranking of important issues to me, and something like the environment is not near the top. I'm probably in the minority here.

So basically, my young life has so far led to my support of the Republican party and traditional, Christian, conservative values.
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So basically, my young life has so far led to my support of the Republican party and traditional, Christian, conservative values.
Do you honestly equate the teachings of Jesus to the Republican Party?

Jesus taught sell your jewelery and give it to the poor, turn the other cheek, love your enemy, love your neighbor, he who's free of sin cast the first stone, etc...

Economically and socially that sounds nothing like the Republican party.
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I'd think if you are a Christian you'd have a foot in both camps.

If you are a very 'strict' conservative Christian, I understand the appeal of a lot of the Republicans social conservatism. I don't agree with it obviously, but I understand it's attraction if that's where you're at. Whether that's someone railing against sex and violence in entertainment, or an anti-abortion stance etc. But I don't know how you can say you read and understand the Bible - and then slam outright everything from the left. It's like listening to only all of the 'fire and brimstone' rules and warnings in the Bible, and none of the teachings and lessons.
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I would like to think that i have somewhat more of a liberal and democratic political stance.

But i will support anything that strives for:

Better schools and universities
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I would say 9/11 solidified my political beliefs, though I was only 13 when it happened.
Fuck, you're only 19. I would have taken from your posts that you were much, much older.
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I think that if your ideas stay static (not neccessarily ideals though) then it's dangerous since you never have to think about issues.
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Jesus taught sell your jewelery and give it to the poor, turn the other cheek, love your enemy, love your neighbor, he who's free of sin cast the first stone, etc...
Do you propose "loving" the terrorists? Let me know how that turns out.

What you're saying here is correct, and if I was alive 2000 years ago, who knows, I may have very well been a Democrat by today's standards. However, we live in a much different world than when Jesus walked the earth. Jesus talked about standing up for what is right, even if you are standing alone. Jesus knew there was evil in the world. I think if Jesus saw the ACLU and other far-lefts doing what they are doing regarding God, He would be appalled and very dissapointed. I dont think the world we live in now is close to what Jesus wanted to leave behind for us.

I do follow the "love thy neighbor" teachings. That is why, for example, I want us to stay in Iraq to help prevent more terrorists attacks here killing my fellow Americans and I want us to stay and protect the Iraqi people. I dont think pulling out of Iraq and abandoning them would be loving thy neighbor.


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Yes, I believe I do. If nothing else, I certainly, certainly do not equate them to the Democratic party of today.
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Fuck, you're only 19. I would have taken from your posts that you were much, much older.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
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I watched SiCKO last night. Surely the thought of Michael Moore will give some people here hives, but my post is not about him nor really about the topic of the movie.

It's about a scene involving maybe about 10 Americans who were expats, living in Paris. They were discussing differences between two countries. Like the fact that women get 6 months off when they have a baby and an option of another 6 months after that (pay notwithstanding). Like after giving birth, a woman can have a government employee come into her home twice a week for 4 hours to do her laundry, prepare meals, and watch the baby so the woman can have a break. Like the fact that daycare costs the French $1/hour per child. Like the fact that everyone, including part-time employees have 5 weeks of mandatory vacation a year. When you get married, you get an additional 7 days for your honeymoon. Like the fact that if you work past 35 hours a week, that entitles you for more vacation time. Like the fact that working people have unlimited sick days per year: if you are sick, you are sick.

They were saying, is this not family values? That we have more time with our children, that we are not stressed with debt, that the state supports child-rearing and supports mothers and fathers?

What would Jesus do indeed.
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Do you propose "loving" the terrorists? Let me know how that turns out.
I'm just telling you what Jesus taught, if you want to ignore him, go ahead.

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What you're saying here is correct, and if I was alive 2000 years ago, who knows, I may have very well been a Democrat by today's standards. However, we live in a much different world than when Jesus walked the earth. Jesus talked about standing up for what is right, even if you are standing alone. Jesus knew there was evil in the world. I think if Jesus saw the ACLU and other far-lefts doing what they are doing regarding God, He would be appalled and very dissapointed. I dont think the world we live in now is close to what Jesus wanted to leave behind for us.
Wow, what a croc, you really think Jesus would take this excuse, "well it was a different world"? Jesus never pushed for a theocracy, so your ACLU bit is way off mark. He would be appalled by the GOP stating they were God's party.

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I do follow the "love thy neighbor" teachings. That is why, for example, I want us to stay in Iraq to help prevent more terrorists attacks here killing my fellow Americans and I want us to stay and protect the Iraqi people. I dont think pulling out of Iraq and abandoning them would be loving thy neighbor.
This has to be the saddest statement I've ever heard. I do follow love my neighbor, that why I wanted this war. You're making him cry now.

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Yes, I believe I do. If nothing else, I certainly, certainly do not equate them to the Democratic party of today.
Well that's sad for you don't really know his teachings at all then. I notice you didn't touch his economic teachings. Jesus was one of the biggest liberals this world has seen, when the GOP will ever figure this out, I don't know...
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I do follow the "love thy neighbor" teachings. That is why, for example, I want us to stay in Iraq to help prevent more terrorists attacks here killing my fellow Americans and I want us to stay and protect the Iraqi people. I dont think pulling out of Iraq and abandoning them would be loving thy neighbor.





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Church and my Christian faith has been the number one thing in my life growing up. I have gone to church pretty much every week for as long as I can remember. I help out with children's programs, am part of a number of groups and ministries, and have attended over a dozen various youth camps and retreats. All of that has contributed very much to my conservative values.

For example, I strongly believe in traditional marriage of one man and one woman, I do not want God taken out of the public square, I am opposed to abortion, and I believe in working hard to get ahead and do not expect things to be simply handed to me.

I would say 9/11 solidified my political beliefs, though I was only 13 when it happened. I wanted the United States to protect itself using whatever means necessary and to go after Al-Qaeda. I believe criminals should be punished- everyone from international terrorists down to local bank robbers and I believe in firmly punishing children who fight in schools.

Many of the things that Hillary Clinton or Harry Reid or Keith Olbermann say scare the living daylights out of me, and I really dont want the likes of them being the future of the country. I feel they do not see the consequences of leaving Iraq and the gross immorality of abandoning the Iraqi people when they need us most.

Also, I have my ranking of important issues to me, and something like the environment is not near the top. I'm probably in the minority here.

So basically, my young life has so far led to my support of the Republican party and traditional, Christian, conservative values.
Like you, I was raised in a conservative Christian home and I remain, I suppose what would be called a conservative Christian. In fact I'm a missionary so you could definitely say my faith is very important to me.

I just wanted to point out that being a conservative Christian does not necessarily inexorably lead to Republican party orthodoxy.

I'd like to challenge a couple of points you've made and I'd appreciate your responses:

Where's the Biblical support for believers pushing for God to be part of the public sphere? (Remember Jesus lived in a time when God's people were being dominated by an outside pagan power--the Romans--and there were many people eager to put God back into the government. Where did Jesus stand on those issues?)

While on the surface you might make a Biblical argument for "working hard to get ahead and not taking handouts" ususally that kind of statement is code for being against increased social programs from the government. In other words, it's fine for churches to do charitable work but not the government. Where's the Biblical justification for "smaller government" in this sense?

What is the Biblical justification for U.S. foreign policy and defending itself? (I'm not saying it shouldn't, I'm just asking is there a Biblical justification?)

What's the Biblical argument that the environment is unimportant?

What I'm hoping you'll consider is that perhaps your views are more rooted in your culture, what your ministers and sources of news tell you etc rather than the actual teachings of Scripture. After all many of the political views have nothing to do with Christinaity. It's not that a Christian SHOULDN'T hold any of your views, but it would be a mistake to conclude that your being a conservative Christian automatically leads you to the particular political views you hold.

I understand you feel like your way of life is under attack by a secular-humanist worldview but think about the early church. Their way of life really was under attack! All but one of Jesus disciples gave their LIFE for their faith! How did they respond to the assault on Christianity? What should that tell us about how we should respond?
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