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Old 07-24-2003, 11:46 PM   #1
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I can't fathom anyone has, but someone sent this to me today.
I cried, again:

http://64.177.83.63/liberty/email.htm

This, after I read about a poll in Germany that thinks the USA's government would orchestrate such a horror on it's own people.
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Old 07-25-2003, 12:11 AM   #2
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Old 07-25-2003, 12:42 AM   #3
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First, thanks for posting this.

Second....if it is midnight where you are, view this in the morning.

If you were in NY when 9/11 happened or lost a loved one on 9/11 view it when you have time to regroup or do not view it.

I am not going to be able to sleep.

AS for Germany and one third of the people in the poll thinking that this was done to us by our own governement......The disgust I felt at that time is not easily put into words suitable for this forum.
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Very haunting...I almost wasn't able to watch it all...
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Old 07-25-2003, 01:02 AM   #5
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well it's 1:00 am and i better not watch this now!
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I didn't like this Flash-animation at all, the creator (experienced with media) should know the difference between a victim of a disaster and someone who sacrifices himself (or herself) to save others.
The second one definetly is a hero, the first one a victim.

Overall i'm allways against forgetting, i just strongly dissliked the style it was presented. I don't know what the relatives of the people who were photographed in "close ups" while dying think when they see their beloved are used to sell a message.

Giving too much people the honor of being a hero is unfair to real heros.

To the German poll: I'm ashamed.
Can you give me more details who did this poll? i never heared of it.

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Old 07-25-2003, 06:29 AM   #7
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Hmm...is this the same animation? All I get are text quotes on an Enya sample soundtrack. From what you're all talking, there were pictures.

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melon:

heroes.swf from http://www.bloodofheroes.com/ (i get redirected to that animation when i open http://64.177.83.63/liberty/email.htm)

lots of textsamples at the beginning, later
we must never forget turns into red when you hear a airplane engine.. some pictures of 9/11 then a closeup of a women jumped out of the building with "this is someones daughter.."
next picture a lady with a celphone crying, subtitle "this could be you... someone you love is gone."

That is the flash-animation i am talking about.

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Old 07-25-2003, 07:20 AM   #9
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I see it now...

First off, those photos were readily available in the media, so I don't see an issue with using them.

Secondly, if you don't like this, I won't show you the 9-11 tribute I made for my comic design class that semester.

But I do agree that "hero" is thrown around too much, although, in this instance, I think it is forgivable.

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I wonder what percentage of Germans believe the Holocaust happened.
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Wolfwill, what does that have to do with anything?
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wolfwill23:
according to the Museum of Tolerance (Simon Wiesenthal Center/LA) the most Neonazis live in the US, because of that i assume the rate of idiots who don't believe that the Holocaust happened it is lower in Germany than in the USA.
It should be verry hard to ignore this fact if you are raised in germany anyway since every schoolclass visits a KZ (Concentration Camp). But i'm sorry that i can't give you a exact number in this case.

But if you are interested in discussions about the 3. Reich or Neonazis you should start a new thread.

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Well, if I'm to take this piece seriously (and, for the sake of discussion, for a moment I will take it seriously), then........

I'd be interested in knowing who made this piece.

I'd be interested in knowing what their agenda was/is.

As it stands, I am VERY skeptical of the author's motivation.

I think most of us have the images of 9/11 imprinted in our minds. I know I do.

This piece comes off to me as quite possibly being nothing more than pro-Bush, pro-war propaganda and/or an EXTREMELY patronizing and manipulative joke.

The author must think his/her audience is stupid. Actually, I feel like a sucker for even commenting on this ridiculous piece, but what the hell, we've got to have something to talk about here in FYM.


Edited for typo.
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Wolfwill, what does that have to do with anything?
It is a fair questions to go beyond the immediate question and ponder the societal factors that would lead to such wide spread beliefs (especially by the youth of the country).

Klaus - the Neonazi and the holocaust denier are two different creatures. But you are correct - stuff for a different thread.
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