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Old 06-27-2002, 02:17 PM   #1
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Who would take hell for the US?

I was saying in another thread that Great Britian would most certainly go down fighting with us if that ever became necessary.

But I am not so sure of the feelings of other countries that are friends of the US. So I'd like to ask those members who are from those countries what they think their country would do if it really came down it. How deep is the friendship in your opinion? How much sacrifice would the people of your country generally accept? If we faced a enemy (seemingly) much stronger than all of us and it was a matter of collaborate and be safe or side with the US and really run the risk of being destroyed, what would the descision be for your country?

Keeping in mind, of course, that any power out to destroy the US would probably not be very nice and also remembering that it is by no means a given that nations will do the right thing even when its obvious.

So what's your gut instinct on this? How good is the friendship?
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I think the states could depend on us, Canada, though it would make as much difference as throwing a pebble into a roaring river.

Lets face it, our military is below the standards of the super-powers. Whats our max, 100,000 men??

Anyway, we are best-known for our peace-keeping efforts overseas, and for that I can be proud.

I'd also like to think the States would bale us out!
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Old 06-27-2002, 02:31 PM   #3
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Basstrap,

IMO Of course. Without a question in a heartbeat. I mean what would we do if we didn't have our big northern buddy to kick around?



btw, your answer doesn't surprise me. I have always thought that Canada would be a true friend in a pinch (we ARE family) but I just didn't want to go and assume that was true given how much grief you take from us!
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Depends on the situation really doesn't it? If it's an unprovoked (sp??) attack from some nation or maybe a group of nations, I'm sure the newly formed European Reaction Force would (and should) join in (at the US side I mean... ).

But if the US starts attacking Iraq or some other country for dubious reasons, and if the US indeed is losing that battle, you'd be on your own if it were up to me.
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Old 06-27-2002, 03:39 PM   #5
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Dr Teeth, I think what I had in mind was individual countries. Why? Because I really doubt that blocks of countries like the EU could withstand a crisis like the one I am thinking about. Such a crisis would be truly divisive and I don't think the answer could be made corporately like the EU makes most of its decisions today. Especially not when a country can choose to leave that union at anytime by just leaving. Niether do I think that such a decision would be so obvious that the answer would be easy.

I know that the US would stand up no matter the odds because we are just stubborn as hell and for us surrender equals death. We also don't see anthing much as impossible. England and Canada would stand with us because we are family and we think alike and value the same things whenever the s*** hits the fan.

Now I am asking you personally in all sincerity. Would the Netherlands governement choose to stand with the US if it wasn't part of a big group of countries, if it had to make the decision on its own? What if it had to go against what other EU countries decided?

And do you really believe that the EU is strong enough to hold up to the worst possible crisis?

As always, I am just curious to see what people think about things.
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Depends on the situation really doesn't it?
oh here we go

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If it's an unprovoked (sp??) attack from some nation or maybe a group of nations, I'm sure the newly formed European Reaction Force would (and should) join in (at the US side I mean... ).
thanks

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But if the US starts attacking Iraq or some other country for dubious reasons
dubious? Umm but you know we don't really care about their weapons of mass destruction, or their genocide they carry out on their own people, but you call our greed for their 5% of oil DUBIOUS

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, and if the US indeed is losing that battle
hahahahahahahahhahahahahaha

Hey Lemonite, I think I've found our roach!!

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, you'd be on your own if it were up to me.
There you go, thats more like it
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Now I am asking you personally in all sincerity. Would the Netherlands governement choose to stand with the US if it wasn't part of a big group of countries, if it had to make the decision on its own? What if it had to go against what other EU countries decided?
It will not be the first time the Netherlands have to make decisions on their own (we have been an independant country for quite a while you know....), but any action taken by the Dutch will be discussed with other members of the EU. Even if the negotiations with other EU members fail, the Netherlands will be free to take action on it's own if that's what they want.

If you ask me personally, I don't condone unconditional support to any country. I believe every action taken by a country should be judged on it's own. So it really depends on the situation.

Z Edge, I've seen you write some decent and thoughtfull posts during my time on interference. Too bad the one in this thread isn't one of them. What happened?
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Z Edge, I've seen you write some decent and thoughtfull posts during my time on interference. Too bad the one in this thread isn't one of them. What happened?
Well thanks for that, and I have certainly seen some thoughtful ones by you as well.

Yet I also have seen posts where you called me a "sorry ass" (my "to hell with seatbelt laws" thread back in mid-december of 2001) and more recently you compared my boss to Hitler. Yet you stated above that you would (conditionally) join forces with me and "Hitler"

I just found that funny, thats all

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Well I'm no saint either . Concerning the status quo about the Hitler analogy; take a look at my explanation in the other thread.
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Well I'm no saint either . Concerning the status quo about the Hitler analogy; take a look at my explanation in the other thread.
Damn there are so many "other threads" lately, you will have to show me which one

And stop winking at me
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I think the states could depend on us, Canada, though it would make as much difference as throwing a pebble into a roaring river.


ooohh basstrap! you know we'd be there in a heartbeat for you!!

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Most likely we would offer a country something so that they would fight for us, so with that in mind I would have to say just about any one. Besides who do u guys think would want to be on the bad side of the US. Its seems like if u get on the bad side ur pretty much history. Am I right?
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Re: Who would take hell for the US?

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I was saying in another thread that Great Britian would most certainly go down fighting with us if that ever became necessary.

How good is the friendship?
After that stupid law that makes it possible to attack the Netherlands if there are American warcriminals in prison, i have my doubts about the word friendship.
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And do you really believe that the EU is strong enough to hold up to the worst possible crisis?


The European Union "Couldn't Defend an Ant Hill."

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The European Union "Couldn't Defend an Ant Hill."

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