nbcrusader
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Ayad Allawi says things are getting better in Iraq. Kerry thinks he's in a better position to evaluate the situation.
ThatGuy said:And Bush's line about a "handful of people who are trying to stop the march of freedom" is silly. The events of 9/11 showed us how dangerous even a "handful of people" can be.
swizzlestick said:
The entire quote is
"It's hard to help a country go from tyranny to elections to peace when there are a handful of people who are willing to kill in order to stop the process. And that's what you're seeing on the TV screens. You know, these people cannot beat us militarily.''
I don't see anything silly about that. True it only took 19 people to kill 2,801 people on 9/11. I think Bush is pointing out the suicide bombers and the small pockets of resistance that is making things more difficult.
Bush continues
"They use the only tool at their disposal, which is beheadings and death, to try to shake our will. They understand the nature of America.... We weep when we think about the families affected by those who have been brutalized by these terrorists.''
On another note, can somebody please explain to me how John Kerry would know better than the Prime Minister of Iraq the current status of Iraq? His statements today were way out of line. He is really reaching now...
They are not any place. They are on the move everywhere. They are a snake moving in the desert. They hold no place in Iraq. This is an illusion.
Whenever we attack, they retreat. When we pound them with missiles and heavy artillery, they retreat even deeper.
They will be burnt. We are going to tackle them.
ThatGuy said:
What I found silly was that Bush was dismissing this "handful" completely out of hand. My point being that it doesn't take that many (assuming that Bush is correct about the "handful" estimate) to keep things off balance for years.
ThatGuy said:Tell me how the President of the Unied States, among other people, claimed to know better than the Iraqi Minister of Information during March and April 2003?
swizzlestick said:
Are you talking about the former Iraqi Minister of DIS-information for whom we haven't heard from since April of 2003? Are these his quotes? I am trying to see what does this have to do with anything that was said today?
nbcrusader said:So, let's take the word of a desperate politician looking for a new job....
Allawi may have motivations to support Bush, but Kerry only has his own political motivations in mind.
ThatGuy said:
What I found silly was that Bush was dismissing this "handful" completely out of hand. My point being that it doesn't take that many (assuming that Bush is correct about the "handful" estimate) to keep things off balance for years. Look at Israel. And tell me, what was the ratio of South Vietnamese/US forces versus those of the Viet Cong?
Tell me how the President of the Unied States, among other people, claimed to know better than the Iraqi Minister of Information during March and April 2003?
STING2 said:
In the Vietnam War, North Vietnam a country of 15 million people, fought a total war against South Vietnam and were aided by the Viet Cong insurgency in the South. In addition, BILLIONS of dollars worth of arms flowed into Vietnam from the largest military Super Power the world has ever seen, the SOVIET UNION. In addition, China, a rising power also supplied a large share of equipment to North Vietnam and the Viet Cong insurgency in the South.
Thats a very different situation from what is seen in Iraq, where an insurgent movement almost entirely in the SUNNI area's of Iraq is fighting the development of a democratic Iraq. The non-Kurdish, Sunni part of Iraq makes up about 5 million people. The only possible State supporters are Syria and Iran and any support they have given is tiny. The Majority of the Iraqi population does not support the insurgency that is rooted among the Sunni population. It will take time to end or bring it down to managable levels, but this is clearly not the situation that was faced in Vietnam.
A_Wanderer said:WMD don't have to be massive to do damage.
A_Wanderer said:Wait, which events are you talking about here, one must be specific here otherwise you will be eaten alive.
300,000 corpses have been exhumed from the mass graves in Iraq since the fall of the regime. These people were killed in all manner of ways, torture - beheadding, buried alive and the most common having their faces blown inside out. In addition that Anfal campaign killed some 185,000 Kurds between 1986 and 1989. Very nasty business genocide - very exausting, second only to soccer .
nbcrusader said:Ayad Allawi says things are getting better in Iraq. Kerry thinks he's in a better position to evaluate the situation.
At this point, what does Allawi have to gain? Control of Afghanistan?