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Old 12-12-2003, 12:24 AM   #16
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I strongly believe in Campaign Finance reform and it was one of the reasons I supported McCain over Bush in the 2000 elections. Honestly though, the best way to reform it, is probably to end it. Lets shorten the entire Presidential election process to 4-6 months instead of this two year BS. Can you believe the election is still 11 months away, but everyone and the media talk like its going to be next month. Lets have a public funded 6 month election process that provides equal funding and airtime to both parties and all candidates. That 6 month time period would include the primaries to pick each political parties candidate for President.
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I read every article/ruling you posted and while my position hasn't changed, I believe that you're right about the insignificance of this law. Corruption will find a way through the maze of rules and regulations, not matter how complicated it is. Someone recently compared the money in campaigns to water; you can put up as many blocks as you can, but it will always seep through to the other side.

I still believe this will restrict the secretive means by which parties collect funds. It's all in the open, whereas before it was hidden in a plethora of PAC's and Special Interest Groups.
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I strongly believe in Campaign Finance reform and it was one of the reasons I supported McCain over Bush in the 2000 elections. Honestly though, the best way to reform it, is probably to end it. Lets shorten the entire Presidential election process to 4-6 months instead of this two year BS. Can you believe the election is still 11 months away, but everyone and the media talk like its going to be next month. Lets have a public funded 6 month election process that provides equal funding and airtime to both parties and all candidates. That 6 month time period would include the primaries to pick each political parties candidate for President.
I couldn't agree more. I hate this two year campaign season. Can you say "burnout"? I hate the way the press claims that the election is next month. It's almost a year away dammit.
Incidentally in 2000 I "crossed over" and voted for McCain in the primaries in large part because of this.
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Dread, I think it was you that said Reps should vote for Senators. It was that way until I think 1913. It was changed because the older way was seen as less democratic. The push for this was originally voiced by the Populist Party which was dead by this time. However, the Democrats who absorbed the party took on this issue. Just a little backgorund on that move.
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Dread, I think it was you that said Reps should vote for Senators. It was that way until I think 1913. It was changed because the older way was seen as less democratic. The push for this was originally voiced by the Populist Party which was dead by this time. However, the Democrats who absorbed the party took on this issue. Just a little backgorund on that move.
A few times changes aimed at making the process more "democratic" have actually been counter-productive in that respect. Having a primary season is starting to look like a rip-off rather than a real chance to *choose* the candidate. Instead the media chooses the candidate. Reps voting for the Senate? That's interesting, but probably politically impossible in this day and age.
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Has it made it MORE democratic? We elect the Representatives to the State. They vote for us.

We are a REPUBLIC. They vote for us anyway? it has nothing to do with being more democratic......and now we have more $$$$ screwing with everything.
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Has it made it MORE democratic? We elect the Representatives to the State. They vote for us.

We are a REPUBLIC. They vote for us anyway? it has nothing to do with being more democratic......and now we have more $$$$ screwing with everything.
I'm not sure. The primary thing was *supposed* to make choosing the candidates more democratic. If you ask me it's made the media pretty damn powerful. They can practically play kingmaker. I almost don't have a vote. Alabama has primaries the first week of June, when the voters in the first primary states have chosen a front runner who is chosen "nominee" by that time. Choosing a candidate at the convention looks terribly undemocratic, but the people who vote for the nominee have always been chosen in the primaries. It's not as long and drawn out. I'm told there weren't proliferating political ads a year before Election Day. I was just watching CNN's "Inside Politics" and the whole thing was presidential politics. I'll be damned if this is any improvement over the old system.
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"The notion that the government can tell an organization like the ACLU when and how it should address important civil liberties issues is a form of censorship masquerading as campaign finance reform," ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero
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Nice quote!
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Old 12-13-2003, 06:15 PM   #25
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And I think 100% that our Senators should not be Chosen by the Voters but by the Representatives of the State Legislature...which is the way it was worded in the constitution if I am not mistaken. This too would eliminate some of the .
I'm sure you'd love it if Finneran got to choose this state's senators.

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I'm sure you'd love it if Finneran got to choose this state's senators.

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I bet people would think about Finneran more.....

But that is a scary thought...LOL A good friend of mine has a parent in the legislature who is not on Finneran's good list. She is getting every piece of crud committee.....
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If my Representatives chose our Senators...............that'd be interesting. One of our Senators, Richard Shelby, was elected as a Democrat in 1986. He defeated a Republican, our first Republican Senator since Reconstruction. Shelby changed parties in 1994, the day after Election Day when the only people in the U.S. who didn't vote Republican were carrying foreign passports. That's a joke. I didn't. Our junior Senator, Jeff Sessions, was elected in 1996 as a Republican. If our representatives elected our Senators, I suppose they would have chosen the ones we have.
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Melon...

Tip O'Niel once said all Politics is local......

I think a return to this will force people to look long and hard at the local representatives that the pick and choose. It would remove some of the $$$$ from the national picture. I see my local rep ALL the time.

Just thoughts......
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