Which political stereotype are you?

[Anthony]

Erm. Yeah. I guess I must have made a mistake somewhere.

Ant.


Fascist - You believe that an alliance of monopolistic corporations and oppressive government should cooperate to lord it over the population with an efficient iron fist. Your historical role model is Adolf Hitler.

 

[Macfistowannabe]

That's hilarious, Ant.

Yesterday I was just clicking around on random answers without reading the questions because I was bored, and my jaw nearly hit the ground when Hitler showed up. Of all people, I never thought it would be you.

 

[nbcrusader]

I made one small change to a question and got Roosevelt!!

 

[mysticchild]

hello

 

[A_Wanderer]

Erm. Yeah. I guess I must have made a mistake somewhere.

Ant.


Fascist - You believe that an alliance of monopolistic corporations and oppressive government should cooperate to lord it over the population with an efficient iron fist. Your historical role model is Adolf Hitler.

I knew it!

 

[Anthony]

Hehe. My father always used to say that I was a fascist in a socialist's clothing, if you can follow that. (Until yesterday, I never could). They had Wagner's 'Die Walkure' on BBC2 yesterday, and I found myself listening intently. What could this all mean?



Ant.

 

[A_Wanderer]

Fascism and socialism are but two sides of the state control coin.

 

[blueyedpoet]

no...socialists do not wish to restrict people's individual personal freedom

 

[blueyedpoet]

Socialist - You believe the free market can be beneficial, but that a large and powerful state is necessary to redistribute the wealth of the top classes to those of the bottom. You also think that basic utilities and trasportation should be publicly owned. Your historical role model is Eugene Debs.

 

[A_Wanderer]

No socialism is where the state has increased control over the economy and that by definition creates control over peoples individual choice, it is a very soft forrm of authoritarianism.

 

[Macfistowannabe]

Hehe. My father always used to say that I was a fascist in a socialist's clothing, if you can follow that. (Until yesterday, I never could). They had Wagner's 'Die Walkure' on BBC2 yesterday, and I found myself listening intently. What could this all mean?



Ant.

I have come to realize why you find the "fascist" slur offensive on FYM.

 

[AcrobatMan]

Republican - You believe that the free market will take care of most things, but that the government should be there with moderate taxation to provide for national defense and enforcing morality. Your historical role model is Ronald Reagan.


Now tell me ..if this is GOOD or BAD


I dont think govt should ENFORCE MORALITY

 

[AcrobatMan]

Anarcho-Syndicalist - You believe that governments and corporations are both equally evil. You think that all people should have maximum personal freedom. You think everyone should have control over their economic production, because the economy should be structured completely in terms of cooperatives and communes. Your historical role model is Noam Chomsky.


Yo Chomsky!

I´m not anarcho however. I´m not opposed to the state per se, but opposed to borders. I think the state should perform a regulating function towards economy, but not towards its citizens. Corporate control yes, private control nope. I may add that environmental issues are very important.

this looks OK to me

 

[A_Wanderer]

Republican - You believe that the free market will take care of most things, but that the government should be there with moderate taxation to provide for national defense and enforcing morality. Your historical role model is Ronald Reagan.


Now tell me ..if this is GOOD or BAD


I dont think govt should ENFORCE MORALITY

I would argue that you and I meet on a few levels, I would wager libertarian.

 

[U2democrat]

Erm. Yeah. I guess I must have made a mistake somewhere.

Ant.


Fascist - You believe that an alliance of monopolistic corporations and oppressive government should cooperate to lord it over the population with an efficient iron fist. Your historical role model is Adolf Hitler.

you poor thing.

 

[nbcrusader]

I dont think govt should ENFORCE MORALITY

You prefer an immoral society?

 

[Irvine511]

i'd prefer an ethical society.

 

[melon]

You prefer an immoral society?

Some people's definitions of a "moral society" sound like hell.

So yeah...I guess we'd prefer an "immoral society" where people can live according to their own morality, rather than a "moral society" where government dictates its own morality onto people.

Melon

 

[verte76]

You prefer an immoral society?

No. But I'm skeptical of the *ability* of the government to enforce morality. People tend to follow their own rules and desires. It's pretty tough to mandate a moral society.

 

[pax]

No. But I'm skeptical of the *ability* of the government to enforce morality.

 

[nbcrusader]

People tend to follow their own rules and desires.

People do what is right in their own eyes. This has never changed.

 

[BVS]

What's "moral" for some is "immoral" for others.

 

[hiphop]

People do what is right in their own eyes. This has never changed.

That´s exactly why the government doesn´t have the right to suggest a certain moral standard. Only legislation in the democratic process does have that right when passing laws the society as a whole agrees on.

 

[nbcrusader]

That´s exactly why the government doesn´t have the right to suggest a certain moral standard. Only legislation in the democratic process does have that right when passing laws the society as a whole agrees on.

It seems that your two statements contradict each other.

Legislation is government action.

And I'm not sure we are 100% on board with a "might makes right" (legislation passed by a majority) model for establishing morality.

 

[verte76]

People do what is right in their own eyes. This has never changed.

That's right. That's why I'm not sure legislation of morality would work. Would it really stop immorality?

 

[Macfistowannabe]

That's right. That's why I'm not sure legislation of morality would work. Would it really stop immorality?

Going back to history, if morality had no business in legislation, it would hardly make sense to oppose slavery. In fact, the popular argument at the time was that it was immoral and condradicting with Judeo-Christian principles. Would it stop immorality? Not ultimately, but it's progress. For example, it spares law-abiding tax payers big bucks if we go after club drugs rather than legalize them and place the burden on tax payers to treat them as a result of their poor decisions.

 

[A_Wanderer]

That´s exactly why the government doesn´t have the right to suggest a certain moral standard. Only legislation in the democratic process does have that right when passing laws the society as a whole agrees on.

Then would you agree when gay marriage is put to the people and the majority vote against it?

I agree with NB, might makes right does not guarantee fair laws, especially on matters of morality.

 

[hiphop]

It seems that your two statements contradict each other.

Legislation is government action.

And I'm not sure we are 100% on board with a "might makes right" (legislation passed by a majority) model for establishing morality.

Yes OK I said it in simple terms, thought you get what I meant, maybe I didn´t express myself clear enough.

What I wanted to say is

1. There are moral stadards that benefit society. Alo not killing or not hurting or not raping anyone is a moral standard. if you kill someone, you shall be punished, thats what society and laws say in most countries. So there are moral values, defined by society, and society has the right to create moral values.

2. However, the government has no right to impose its moral values on society. Consider issues like the discussion about gay rights. Who would the government be to say "Being gay is morally wrong and therefore illegal". Same should apply for religious preference etc.

Better?

 

[hiphop]

Then would you agree when gay marriage is put to the people and the majority vote against it?

No I wouldn´t, see above. With "passing laws the society as a whole agress on", I was mainly referring to criminal action which is perceived as morally wrong.

 

[AcrobatMan]

an immoral society?

Its OK with me...

but I have no preference of moral or immoral society.

Obviousy there would be laws for murder, rape or theft and things like that..