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Old 02-17-2005, 12:28 PM   #91
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Yes, or you could also be killing the next Hitler. You don't know any of that kind of stuff before the birth takes place.

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So you're acknowledging that it IS killing? You don't know everything about the baby, but what you do know with ultrasound is that it has human emotions and movements.
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and a condum would have the same effect

as would spilling your seed

give me a break
If you wouldn't mind being a little more direct and elaborate your point of view, perhaps it would contribute more to the discussion.
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and to think, you could be killing the person who could cure cancer.


birth control pills could have prevented an Eienstein, etc. from being concieved

anything that interferes with conception and a full term pregnacy could prevent the person who could cure cancer from being born
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Thanks for clarifying. Yes, it prevents an "Eienstein" from being conceived, but if "Eienstein" was conceived, I think "Eienstein" should be born.
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this really is not and either or question for a lot of people


many people suppot the right for someone to end a pregnancy in the very early stages only

but would not do it themselves
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Choice

Also Viagra is covered by most insurance and birth control pills are not. Stupid.
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Viagra is covered by most insurance and birth control pills are not. Stupid.
I agree with this.
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Also Viagra is covered by most insurance and birth control pills are not. Stupid.

Thank you for bringing that up. It is stupid. Even Medicare covers Viagra so while we're making sure our senior citizens are able to have strong, long lasting erections, birth control for women is still not covered by most insurance plans. And strangly enough, most plans DO cover elective abortions.
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this really is not and either or question for a lot of people


many people suppot the right for someone to end a pregnancy in the very early stages only

but would not do it themselves
I could not possibly watch an entire abortion take place and think "Well, I'd never do that, but it should be her choice."
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You don't know everything about the baby, but what you do know with ultrasound is that it has human emotions and movements.
Human emotion seen by ultrasound? Interesting...

I saw an ultrasound once and all I saw was a spot that looked like a bean.
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So you're acknowledging that it IS killing?
I think it's killing, but killing off of cells, not a full-fledged human, since it isn't one yet.

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You don't know everything about the baby, but what you do know with ultrasound is that it has human emotions and movements.
Movements, yes, but emotions? And even so, that stuff still won't determine whether it'll be able to cure cancer or be the next Hitler.

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I saw an ultrasound once and all I saw was a spot that looked like a bean.
So it's not a human, it's a bean? I don't buy it.

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I think it's killing, but killing off of cells, not a full-fledged human, since it isn't one yet.
It has developing to do, but it is still a moving human being.

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Movements, yes, but emotions? And even so, that stuff still won't determine whether it'll be able to cure cancer or be the next Hitler.
You still don't know if it's going to be Hitler or Einstein at two years old.

Hopefully ultrasound isn't getting in the way too much:
http://www.massnews.com/2002_edition.../12302preg.htm

Rod Murphy, director of Problem Pregnancy center in Worcester, told MassNews that they acquired their ultrasound machine very recently. He said, “Everything we thought is true. It works.” In December, five abortion-vulnerable mothers out of seven who received ultrasound exams decided to continue the pregnancy.

“There is a real change when a woman sees her baby. Even some of the guys have tears well up,” Murphy said.
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the nickname for my niece was "little bean" after her first ultra sound. they do look like beans in the early stages.
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So it's not a human, it's a bean? I don't buy it.

I said it looks like a bean, at the beginning stages a fetus looks like a bean. You're twisting words once again.

You still haven't shown the "fact" that we see human emotion.

The fact is that if you take a fetus out of a womb at 8 weeks it will not survive or develop on it's own, therefore it's not yet human.
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