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Old 01-30-2002, 07:07 PM   #16
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Oh and despite the poverty that does exist in the USA, the USA was #6 in UNs latest list of the highest standards of living in the world, well ahead of many of the lovely European countries.
Considering we usurp 80% of the world's resources and are the wealthiest nation in the world by far, why aren't we #1 in living standards by far? The fact that 5 nations are ahead of us with far less wealth and far less resource consumption tells me that we are just plain wasteful and lacking in priorities.

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Old 01-30-2002, 10:08 PM   #17
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The 5 nations that are ahead are smaller than the USA but are industrialized nations as well, and on a per capita basis have consumption levels that are similar to the USA.
Certainly no one wants to attack another country if it does not need to for regional and world security, but if something needs to be done, you have to be ready and prepared to do so. Otherwise regional and global security is put in danger. The problems will not go away by staying isolated or uninvolved. When and if military action is needed in the countries mentioned above, it should be done swiftly and with the best technology and training available.
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Of course the other option is not attacking those states to begin with.


Alternatively, those nations could refrain from harboring and/or sponsoring terrorists. No, never mind; that wouldn't be reasonable.

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but these are not normal times with a war and a recession happening at the same time. Oh and despite the poverty that does exist in the USA, the USA was #6 in UNs latest list of the highest standards of living in the world, well ahead of many of the lovely European countries.
I demand a stop to all this blatant Europe bashing that is always going on over here!

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Old 01-31-2002, 06:37 PM   #22
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Certainly no one wants to attack another country if it does not need to for regional and world security, but if something needs to be done, you have to be ready and prepared to do so. Otherwise regional and global security is put in danger. The problems will not go away by staying isolated or uninvolved. When and if military action is needed in the countries mentioned above, it should be done swiftly and with the best technology and training available.
Well, I have moderated on this issue, with the realization that periodic improvements are necessary. So, as much as Reagan's domestic policies were fucked up beyond all hell, I will give him credit for modernizing the military. Anything that can make warfare more precise and less bloody is a good investment.

What does bother me, though, is that Republicans tend to not know when enough is enough in regards to military spending. Hence, Reagan gave us our several trillion dollar debt, with most due to his military expansion.

I agree it is time to modernize the way our military operates, but I still disagree with the missile shield. It is too expensive to create, too experimental in that we don't know if it can be made (just like the SDI in the 1980s), and it will cost a fortune to maintain, not to mention likely to provoke a global arms race. Let's look at it this way: say that Europe built a missile shield, stating the "need for defense against rogue nations." Would the U.S. then say "okay" and let it at that? No, they'd build their own missile shield, probably also trying to build one that can penetrate Europe's shield. And so on, and so on.

I'm also not convinced that there is really a high-tech threat that warrants one. Sure, we currently have low-tech threats, such as hijackings and suicide bombers, etc., but a missile shield won't do shit against low-tech threats. But, most certainly, once that shield is built, I'm sure those "rogue nations" will create a missile program sufficient enough to test it. Will we be happy at that point? At this rate, it appears it will be the United States, not the Soviet Union, who will create another Cold War.

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There are two different area's when it comes to missile defense. One is Theater missile defense which is mainly missile defense for troops in the field and the other would be national missile defense. National missile defense is probably not needed at the moment, missile defense for troops in the field certainly is which is what I support. The National Missile Defense system while expensive is not the missile defense system that was envisioned in the 1980s. It is designed for an attack that involves 10s of missiles not ten to twenty thousand missiles. Thats a huge difference.
We would not have a problem with Europe building a missile shield for several reasons. One, it would provided security for US and NATO forces in the region, two it would provide security for a region that is one of the largest trading partners of the USA and when it comes to security has been consider apart of the USA for the past 50 years through NATO. There would not be any need to penatrate a shield by Europe because that would be like stabbing yourself. But if you want to be absurd about it, due to the size of the US Nuclear arsenal, no other nation, including ourselves, could build a missile defense system that could defeat are arsonal.
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Old 01-31-2002, 06:57 PM   #25
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We would not have a problem with Europe building a missile shield for several reasons.
Well, Europe was an example. Let's say that China built a missile shield. I'm sure my scenario would be true.

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