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Old 12-04-2003, 09:12 AM   #106
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prove it.
When an aid says something that never happened that is a LIE.

I'm glad your not educating my children.
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More Photographic Dishonesty from President Bush


In the most famous picture from his trip to Baghdad, President Bush had himself artfully photographed to look like he was serving turkey to the troops.1 The image was emblazoned on front pages throughout the country - and now appears to be an entirely false depiction.

According to the Washington Post, Bush was actually holding "a decoration, not a serving plate."2 In other words, he was holding a prop, not real food, and thus only pretending for the cameras to be serving up the holiday meal.

The Post notes that "the foray has opened new credibility questions for a White House that has dealt with issues" like this in the past. In fact, the flap marks the second such distortion in as many days about his trip to Baghdad. Just yesterday it was revealed that the White House's tall tale of Air Force One crossing paths with a British Airways plane was entirely false.3

The deceptive picture also harkens back to the controversy surrounding the President's "Mission Accomplished" banner4. On May 1, he stood on the deck of the U.S.S. Lincoln in front of the giant sign and declared that "major combat operations have ended."5 Since that time, more troops have been killed or wounded than before he made that statement, prompting more questions about his photo-op.6

When asked why he chose to stand in front of the "Mission Accomplished" banner at a press conference six months later, Bush "disavowed the background banner," saying the White House staff had nothing to do with producing it.7 But then Navy and administration officials admitted the President had been dishonest, saying that "the White House actually made it."8 White House spokesman Scott McClellan specifically said, "We took care of the production of it. We have people to do those things."

Of course, Bush's penchant for taking misleading and dishonest photos has not been confined to Iraq. In July of 2002, the President visited a low-income housing development in Atlanta to tout his commitment to funding it. He then proposed a budget that eliminated its funding9,10. Similarly, the President visited a Boys and Girls Club in January of 2003 to tout the organization's efforts.11 He said the club "has got a grand history of helping children." Just four days after his photo-op, he proposed to cut 15% out of funding for the Boys and Girls Club12.

Sources:
CBSNews.com, 11/27/2003.
"The Bird Was Perfect But Not For Dinner", Washington Post, 12/04/2003.
"Pilots Didn't Radio Air Force One, Airline Says", Washington Post, 12/02/2003.
CBSNews.com, 10/29/2003.
"President Bush Announces Major Combat Operations in Iraq Have Ended", WhiteHouse.Gov, 05/01/2003.
"Postwar Deaths of U.S. Troops in Iraq Exceeds Combat Toll", New York Time, 08/26/2003.
"Bush disavows background banner in May speech", USA Today, 10/28/2003.
"White House pressed on 'mission accomplished' sign", CNN, 10/29/2003.
President Calls for Expanding Opportunities to Home Ownership, 06/17/2003.
Atlanta Journal Constitution, 2/5/2003.
President Commemorates 1st Anniversary of Freedom Corps, 01/30/2003.
CNN Crossfire, 1/30/03.
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I think it was very honorable for him to be there. He didn't have to risk his life on Thanksgiving to fly to Iraq and visit troops, but he did. This shows the character of this president. Good for him.

And I'm sure all the liberals will be upset by the visit but when history looks back, what will be remembered, the complaining liberals or President Bush visiting the troops on Thanksgiving Day in Iraq?

EXACTLY! he did exactly what a great president should be doing. It made the troops feel good and thats all that matters...did you see the looks on thier faces?! president bush will be remembered for this for sure....not the liberals
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In the most famous picture from his trip to Baghdad, President Bush had himself artfully photographed to look like he was serving turkey to the troops.1 The image was emblazoned on front pages throughout the country - and now appears to be an entirely false depiction.

According to the Washington Post, Bush was actually holding "a decoration, not a serving plate."2 In other words, he was holding a prop, not real food, and thus only pretending for the cameras to be serving up the holiday meal.

The Post notes that "the foray has opened new credibility questions for a White House that has dealt with issues" like this in the past. In fact, the flap marks the second such distortion in as many days about his trip to Baghdad. Just yesterday it was revealed that the White House's tall tale of Air Force One crossing paths with a British Airways plane was entirely false.3
Well, then impeach him for his "lies".
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While I admire the presented case attemted at making the president out to be a liar.....

I remember an awful quote....about the former First Lady Mrs. Barbara Bush that was presented in this forum, out of context, and incomplete without the question that was asked of her, nor the complete response. It was used in this forum to make the former first lady look horrible, when in fact, in the context of the question, in the context of the complete answer her response had quite a different meaning.

I do not have the time now to search for all of these articles. For the future, it would be nice to provide a link to them. Faster, and more efficient. I will have fun doing so after my kids in bed.

I will say this...His announcement of the end of major operations was first and foremost:

#1 The first step to removing the sanctions in Iraq through the UN. It was 100% necessary to do so in order to remove the ansctions.

#2 It was necessary to get NGO's in there to help distribute aid.

You may not like the political dog and pony show of the air craft carrier, but it was a necessary step towards getting the next resolutions passed to clear the way for other countries who did not agree with 1441 to come in and give assistance.
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From Scarletwine's own articles:

"The Bird Was Perfect But Not For Dinner", Washington Post, 12/04/2003.

[Q] Officials said they did not know the turkey would be there or that Bush would pick it up. A contractor had roasted and primped the turkey to adorn the buffet line, while the 600 soldiers were served from cafeteria-style steam trays, the officials said. They said the bird was not placed there in anticipation of Bush's stealthy visit, and military sources said a trophy turkey is a standard feature of holiday chow lines. [/Q]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2003Dec3.html

Let's start with the Bird. Yes, the turkey makes him look like such a liar. He is a criminal. What is funny is I vaguely remember in the chow hall during Military Police School such a holiday display. I remember it well because I could not eat the best meal of my entire 17 weeks of fun at beautiful Ft. McLellan Al. Because my front teeth were shattered the night before in a fun bit of wrestling. The five mile run in the cold that morning killed.

Anyways....

Do we really hate the President this much that him picking up a prop turkey that appears in most mess halls around the military world to cheer up the troops makes him a LIAR?

Isn's this stretching it a bit? I am sorry, but when there was a bit more to the truth in the article quoted.
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I didn't call him a liar. Just a photo-op hound.

God I can't believe how friggin defensive people get for Bush. I wish I had been around when Bill was Pres. to see how often he was slaughtered before the Monica stuff.
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The President's own words from the speech on the aircraft carrier:

[Q]We have difficult work to do in Iraq. We're bringing order to parts of that country that remain dangerous. We're pursuing and finding leaders of the old regime, who will be held to account for their crimes. We've begun the search for hidden chemical and biological weapons and already know of hundreds of sites that will be investigated. We're helping to rebuild Iraq, where the dictator built palaces for himself, instead of hospitals and schools. And we will stand with the new leaders of Iraq as they establish a government of, by, and for the Iraqi people.

The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done. Then we will leave, and we will leave behind a free Iraq. [/Q]
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I didn't call him a liar. Just a photo-op hound.

God I can't believe how friggin defensive people get for Bush. I wish I had been around when Bill was Pres. to see how often he was slaughtered before the Monica stuff.
You did not call him a Chronic Liar?

That was the other Scarletwine
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No that was another thread

ehrm well maybe
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You did not call him a Chronic Liar?

That was the other Scarletwine


leave him outta this!
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Once again a photo that has everything to do with this thread...
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Once again a photo that has everything to do with this thread...
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It should be pretty simple to see that my posts in thread our to point out the doublestandards of partisan folk.
I know youre bright enough to understand that..

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It should be pretty simple to see that my posts in thread our to point out the doublestandards of partisan folk.
I know youre bright enough to understand that..

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Comparing a photo of Bush with a turkey, and some float poking fun at Clinton doesn't point out any kind of doublestandard. Both of those photos lean right. Come on Diamond you can do better than that.
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