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Old 09-03-2004, 11:25 AM   #16
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I'm getting tired of the sloppy use of the term "lie". We should expect more from the "objective" media.
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Apart from bringing up the Kerry's Senate record (to an extend), the way he brought it was more impressive than the actual contents. References to other conflicts and past presidents are really getting old. Actuallly, this entire election is getting old. Doesn't anybody in this circus know anything to talk about that didn't happen 20+ years ago?
I agree. I don't give a who did what back in the '70's. The voters want to hear about the economy, Iraq, terrorism, health care, etc, etc.
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'Get out of my face. If you are going to ask me a question, step back and let me answer. I wish we lived in the day where you could challenge a person to a duel," Miller said to MSNBC ''Hardball" host Chris Matthews, who is 58.

This guy absolutely qualifies as a nut job.
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I loved his statement "what you say in 20 weeks of campaigning shows how you WANT people to see you, but how you vote over the last 20 years shows what kind of person you really are, on the inside"

That's what I thought all along
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what you say in 4 days of a phoney convention shows how you WANT people to see you,

but the last four years in office shows what kind of person you really are
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Old 09-03-2004, 01:51 PM   #21
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Last night on NBC Nightly News Tom Brokaw asked Laura Bush about Zell Miller's speech. she said something to the effect of, "Well he was up there expressing his own opinions." Zell was also dis-invited from watching W's speech from the Presidential box. Looks like they're trying to distance themselves from him.
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I loved his statement "what you say in 20 weeks of campaigning shows how you WANT people to see you, but how you vote over the last 20 years shows what kind of person you really are, on the inside"

That's what I thought all along
So what did W do in the 20 years before his presidency that showed what kind of man he was on the inside?
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This guy absolutely qualifies as a nut job.
Video of Zell's meltdown here:
http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchiv...93.html#001493
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Zell was goofy post-speech but he was very effective IMO and I believe the media was over-reacting but then they were looking for a Howard Dean moment. Too bad it came from another democrat.
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I know some people in Georgia who are eagerly looking forward to Miller's retirement. The press tore him up after his speech. John McCain was less than impressed with it. The guy has been a slippery politician ever since he got Georgia a lottery when he was governor. Some people in the press are comparing it with Patrick Buchanan's infamous "Culture Wars" speech in 1992.
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what you say in 4 days of a phoney convention shows how you WANT people to see you,

True of both candidates. Those conventions were phoney to the max, nothing but stage shows with scripts and slick production.
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True of both candidates. Those conventions were phoney to the max, nothing but stage shows with scripts and slick production.
I basically agree. Conventions are slick, silly, scripted political theatre. They've outlived their usefulness. Why don't we just scrap the damn things? I don't think the parties want to do that. Quite frankly I regard party big shots on both sides as a real pain in the neck. There is so much damn stupid partisan stuff going on it's ridiculous. We might could change this situation if it weren't for the damn partisan top brass.
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/....ap/index.html

I found the letter on another msg board..


Here is the text of a letter that former President Jimmy Carter sent to Sen. Zell Miller (D-Ga.) over the weekend:

You seem to have forgotten that loyal Democrats elected you as mayor and as state senator. Loyal Democrats, including members of my family and me, elected you as lieutenant governor and as governor. It was a loyal Democrat, Lester Maddox, who assigned you to high positions in the state government when you were out of office. It was a loyal Democrat, Roy Barnes, who appointed you as U.S. Senator when you were out of office. By your historically unprecedented disloyalty, you have betrayed our trust.

Great Georgia Democrats who served in the past, including Walter George, Richard Russell, Herman Talmadge, and Sam Nunn disagreed strongly with the policies of Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, and me, but they remained loyal to the party in which they gained their public office. Other Democrats, because of philosophical differences or the race issue, like Bo Callaway and Strom Thurmond, at least had the decency to become Republicans.

Everyone knows that you were chosen to speak at the Republican Convention because of your being a "Democrat," and it's quite possible that your rabid and mean-spirited speech damaged our party and paid the Republicans some transient dividends.

Perhaps more troublesome of all is seeing you adopt an established and very effective Republican campaign technique of destroying the character of opponents by wild and false allegations. The Bush campaign's personal attacks on the character of John McCain in South Carolina in 2000 was a vivid example. The claim that war hero Max Cleland was a disloyal American and an ally of Osama bin Laden should have given you pause, but you have joined in this ploy by your bizarre claims that another war hero, John Kerry, would not defend the security of our nation except with spitballs. (This is the same man whom you described previously as "one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders — and a good friend.")

I, myself, never claimed to have been a war hero, but I served in the navy from 1942 to 1953, and, as president, greatly strengthened our military forces and protected our nation and its interests in every way. I don't believe this warrants your referring to me as a pacifist.

Zell, I have known you for forty-two years and have, in the past, respected you as a trustworthy political leader and a personal friend. But now, there are many of us loyal Democrats who feel uncomfortable in seeing that you have chosen the rich over the poor, unilateral preemptive war over a strong nation united with others for peace, lies and obfuscation over the truth, and the political technique of personal character assassination as a way to win elections or to garner a few moments of applause. These are not the characteristics of great Democrats whose legacy you and I have inherited.

Sincerely, and with deepest regrets,

Jimmy Carter
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I don't prescribe to the "loyal" party tie bullshit, everyone's entitled to disagree with their party. But that being said, everything else in that letter stands true. In fact I think he was a little soft.

Go Jimmy!
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It is interesting that the Jimmy Carter of today obviously prefers the company of someone like Michael Moore than Zel Miller.
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