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Old 09-05-2003, 07:46 PM   #31
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I completely agree with you about instituting religion or forcing people to believe. However, there is a wide range of interpretations of what constitutes establishment of religion.

Moore took it way too far. However, there are other displays that are challenged as "establishment" when the display is as passive as Feinstein's Vishnu.
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Moore got a piece of wood and burned the ten commandments in it, then posted it in his office.
He never had to take it down.

After that he ran for Chief Judge as “The Ten Commandments Judge” and won.

In the middle of the night he had that two and one half ton rock placed in the foyer of the pubic courthouse to create controversy.


There is no reasonable comparison here.
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What they mean "We support separation of Christ and State."



What the heck does this mean?

Moses received the Ten Commandments a long time before the birth of Christ.
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Old 09-06-2003, 08:43 AM   #33
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Re: Where Is The Outrage??

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What they mean "We support separation of Christ and State."
Is that in itself a problem?

Have you ever been in a public government funded building and been affronted by a depiction of the Hindu Trinity? Have you ever seen one is more the point though here.
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Old 09-06-2003, 11:55 AM   #34
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If Feinstein had been talking about Hindu gods and/or the Hindu religion *and* had the statue on with her I'd absolutely think she'd flipped her lid. I'd want to know what on earth was going on, why, etc, etc. Since the thing was alot more passive this situation is more cryptic. People outside of California probably don't even know she did it. Thus the lack of controversy. For whatever reason it didn't make it into any of the newspapers or whatever.
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Which goes to my point. If the Vishnu is in her government office, it will be explained away, rather than be held to the "no religious symbols on government property" principle.
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But we don't know that the Vishnu is even in her office!

This is kind of a moot argument unless we know where the statue actually *is.*
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Even the lack of questioning is an issue (i.e., wanting to evidence that it is not in her office). This thread has been interesting to see where different people create different presumptions.
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I hardly think it's presumptuous to assume that a JEWISH woman is not endorsing HINDUISM by placing Hindu statues in public buildings in plain view. I might be wrong, but somehow I don't think so.
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A nice distinction, but the lawsuits to force removal of religious objects are based on the object, not the beliefs of the people connected to the object.
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Well, for better or for worse the media decided not to make an issue out of it. Hypocricy? Maybe. Where on earth is this statue?
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This might be inaccurate nbc, but I'm getting the feeling you are veiwing this thread as a kind of experiment to back up a suspicion there lies major hypocrisy here and among the members of this thread in particular.
This thread may very well be going around in circles and not achieving anything, but I really would like to see this from your point of view. I cant see how the statue in the original discussion has any place in a court building of all places. A court is not just a regular office, government funded, public or not. Everything it is, you are I'm sure very clearly aware. Where or how is there hypocrisy in the belief that outside that, in just an ordinary office, icons of whichever persuasion are somewhat different? If it were a replica of the same statue as the courthouse debate which was in her office, do you think there would still be an outcry? We can only presume, no one knowing for sure, so if anyone is presuming, it is no more or less than everyone else who has offered their opinions in here.
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Isn't there a difference between a public official choosing to decorate his office with religious symbols and a public official choosing to have such a symbol placed in a public area of the building he works in? Judge Moore made comments along the lines of "the Ten Commandments are the foundation of America's laws and we should acknowledge them as such." Whether you agree or disagree with him, I think that is a far more obvious endorsement of religion than merely appearing in a commercial in an unidentified location with a religious statue behind you.
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I think someone with a certain belief is trying to make comparisons that just are not there.

I have a 32-inch TV and TIVO.

To find the “outrage” I did TIVO this 15 second spot and analyze it frame by frame.

Yes, there is a Hindu statute on the bookshelves.

Beside this statue is a stone object in a holder. A holder that a book or antique plate might be displayed in.

This stone object or tablet appears to be a reproduction of “The Ten Commandments”
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A nice distinction, but the lawsuits to force removal of religious objects are based on the object,
And the object's LOCATION.

BTW, thanks deep, for Zaprudering the commercial. Very interesting. Where is the outrage indeed.
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Old 09-06-2003, 07:18 PM   #45
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oops,

it is a 30 second spot.

you can view it

here <--------
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