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Old 12-09-2004, 05:51 AM   #16
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Here's my opinion on the matter- Christmas is pointless if there is no Jesus involved. I mean, what else are we celebrating (technically). ANyway, if schools want to avoid any controversy, they should just eliminate any sort of holiday reference and stop pretending that we are celebrating winter or something like that. Now kids sing about snow and sleigh rides and we all know how many times those events happen in Southern Cal or North Texas! I feel that if i were to go to a predominantly Muslim country where Ramadan is a huge part of their life, I would not want them to worry about what I feel. I mean, I would be the minority and I would not think they are trampling on my rights. WHy force the huge majority of Muslims to stop having public demonstrations of Ramadan (or even the daily call to prayer) for me. Very selfish I think, and thin skinned.
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Old 12-09-2004, 06:12 AM   #17
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Christmas is already commercialized beyond meaning. But why insist on making Muslim, Jewish, etc listen to or sing "birth of Jesus" types of songs.
No one is forcing anyone to sing anything. What's wrong with adding Hannakuh decorations and traditions too?

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Come on be respectful! This is America, we call ourselves the melting pot, let's act like it.
That's not much of a melt when you have 96% suffering for what 4% complain about. I say if that few people are offended, let them leave the room.

In the school I went to, everyone was encouraged to share their religious traditions with the class. It was very informative and spread understanding and acceptance. Hiding from it only makes it look like something bad. Interestingly enough, it was the Jehovah's Witnesses who were most offended by any mention of holiday celebration, even secular ones, and had to be sent out of the room.
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The extremely small yet vocal minority that claims wishes of Merry Christmas to be insensitive has taken its toll.

We now get groups like Save Merry Christmas
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These rules would have eliminated just about every float in the Christmas parade I was in last week. Not our float--it looked like a little castle--but just about all of the others.
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hasn't this issue already been argued to death in FYM?

i think society has pretty much agreed that jesus isn't okay in public schools, but at home and in your yard, you can erect shrines to zeus for all anyone else cares.
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God bless you, I forgive you.

uh, just what does BVS need to be forgiven for?

or is this one of those "ecstasy of sanctimony" things Phillip Roth writes about? it does feel good to to wrap yourself with a warm blanket of righteousness and bestow forgiveness at will upon those poor misguided others who disagree with you, i'm sure.

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uh, just what does BVS need to be forgiven for?

or is this one of those "ecstasy of sanctimony" things Phillip Roth writes about? it does feel good to to wrap yourself with a warm blanket of righteousness and bestow forgiveness at will upon those poor misguided others who disagree with you, i'm sure.

Irony isn't the strong point of Americans "wait, wait, I DID get Pop......"
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Irony isn't the strong point of Americans "wait, wait, I DID get Pop......"

sounds like you've got irony and sarcasm all mixed up.

there's also no tone or inflection on email.

but to have one post where you capitalized CHRISTmas, and then in the next turn around and bless and forgive someone with a different viewpoint, i think it's fair to assume the absence of either irony and sarcasm. if i misinterpreted, i apologize.

and i've written papers on Pop and PopMart. i am one ironic MoFo.
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Irony isn't the strong point of Americans "wait, wait, I DID get Pop......"
That really wasn't irony. Unless you are taking English lessons from Ms. Alanis Morrsiette...
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My public school we never sang "birth of Jesus" type of songs. We sang "Over the river and through the woods", "Jingle Bells", etc. and this was 20 years ago. I never lost sight of what Christmas really is because of that, in fact it wasn't a big deal at all. No one even worried about it. I think today there is such a huge agenda to push your religion on others that people are making it a big deal.

I get the feeling that most here who find this offensive have been the majority all their life and have no clue what it feels like to be left out, has no clue to feel different. What are you all worried about celebrate it in your own way. It's not a big deal.
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That really wasn't irony. Unless you are taking English lessons from Ms. Alanis Morrsiette...




i think i like you, BVS.
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Actually I have a good idea of what it feels like to be left out and/or different, on levels other than religion. I am tired of this subject, but I really have no desire whatsoever to push my religion on anyone. In fact I learned quite a bit about other religions and religious celebrations in school and college and was fascinated by that.

I just think the PC thing about Christmas can be taken a bit too far, that's all I truly have no desire to offend anyone else's religion and/or beliefs.
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I just think the PC thing about Christmas can be taken a bit too far, that's all I truly have no desire to offend anyone else's religion and/or beliefs.
I agree the PC movement has gone overboard pretty much everywhere.
I don't think you do want to offend or force your religion, but there are some here that want religious Christmas songs put in public schools that never even had them there in the first place.
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for myself, christmas is a celebration of commercialism.

go commercialism!
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for myself, christmas is a celebration of commercialism.

go commercialism!

i know! it's not like i can afford clothes during the year (rent will do that to you), so it's great that my parents love me enough to spend a few bucks and keep me remotely fashionable.

yay holidays!
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