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Who needs governments, I'm a right wing libertarian anarchist / survivalist 2 2.63%
Pat Buchanan is my hero. 1 1.32%
A firm conservative 3 3.95%
Mainly conservative, but liberal on a couple of issues 5 6.58%
Centrist, but more conservative than liberal 8 10.53%
Centrist, but more liberal than conservative 14 18.42%
Mainly liberal, but conservative on a couple of issues 13 17.11%
A solid liberal 21 27.63%
Far out flamin' leftie. Let's squeez the rich and increase taxes to 80% 6 7.89%
Bring down the rotten capitalist system, I'm an anarcho syndicalist/Trotskyie/Communist 3 3.95%
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Old 08-11-2005, 02:07 PM   #31
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Well there does appear to be a liberal majority so far...
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Old 08-11-2005, 07:23 PM   #32
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Far out flamin' leftie. Let's squeez the rich and increase taxes to 80%

Thats me!
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Old 08-11-2005, 07:56 PM   #33
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who is the other commie/anarchist/socialist??? fess up!!!
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Old 08-12-2005, 07:48 AM   #34
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anyway ... how could an open forum have a bias? if you think it's too left wing, then open your right wing mouth and say something. and vice versa.
Yeah, but if the board is skewed mostly leftward then when you open your gob, you get a 2 to 1 lambasting and that is just based on people's perception of themselves. It could be more heavily skewed if people are misidentifying themselves.

There are certain topics where discussion has been civil, but more often it disintegrates, and you have to parry multiple opinions without the benefit of someone else helping to articulate your points. So a lot of people just choose to not participate unless they can avoid being thrown into the minority opinion which is usually characterized as being racist/mean/homophobic/cruel/rigid/stupid/mysoginistic/greedy/unreasonable and that doesn't even include the more creative ways of calling someone that you don't agree with you an idiot. It's a big part of why I delete more than 75% of the posts I write.

If this board leaned rightward, the same arguments would be made by the cowering left. (Instead of by the cowering right) I'm just trying to illustrate why it's so hard to participate on this board if you're in the minority. And yet I'm a political junkie and a huge U2 fan, so it's like a moth to a flame.

To change the tone:

I love this poll! I was just thinking that I'd love to know where people SEE themselves on the political spectrum. It would be great to then have a poll to strike out where they are actually are in the political spectrum as a counter-point.

For the record I put myself down as Firm Conservative, which means that most of you look at me like I have two heads, and think that I take great glee in poisioning the environment from my ivory tower, stealing medicare from Granny, stoning gays for Jesus, starving the homeless (particularly the black ones), and that I can't wait to gun down an abortion doctor, all this while collecting corporate welfare to pay for the gas in my SUV with a go W sticker on the bumper.
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Yeah, but if the board is skewed mostly leftward then when you open your gob, you get a 2 to 1 lambasting and that is just based on people's perception of themselves. It could be more heavily skewed if people are misidentifying themselves.

There are certain topics where discussion has been civil, but more often it disintegrates, and you have to parry multiple opinions without the benefit of someone else helping to articulate your points. So a lot of people just choose to not participate unless they can avoid being thrown into the minority opinion which is usually characterized as being racist/mean/homophobic/cruel/rigid/stupid/mysoginistic/greedy/unreasonable and that doesn't even include the more creative ways of calling someone that you don't agree with you an idiot. It's a big part of why I delete more than 75% of the posts I write.

If this board leaned rightward, the same arguments would be made by the cowering left. (Instead of by the cowering right) I'm just trying to illustrate why it's so hard to participate on this board if you're in the minority. And yet I'm a political junkie and a huge U2 fan, so it's like a moth to a flame.


but i think everyone feels that way. it just seems, to me, and regardless of being right or left or in the minority or majority, that some choose to stay and fight and others choose to do several other things.

i will say, however, that the left leaning arguments, to me (and i realize this is a biased opinion), are in general more coherently argued than right leaning arguments. i'd like to think (and, hey, perhaps i'm delusional) that i'm able to appreciate a well-argued position, whether or not i agree with it, and based purely upon my own observations, i don't see equal quality of writing between left-leaning and right-leaning posters.

there are, however, notable exceptions. NBC is always logically sound. STING2 is always ready with a dissertation on UN Security Council resolutions. you've put forward some well worded arguments.

but, on the whole, the sheer number of people who are able to argue on a sophistocated level does skew leftward, in my opinion. and too often, your more right-leaning posters either make comments that are totally lacking in nuance (see the breast-feeding thread) or make arguments that are centered around the infallabilitly of the Bible, or more accurately, their belief in the infallability of their interpretaton of the Bible. and then when their beliefs are questioned, they scream about being discriminated against and being persecuted for their beliefs.

simply not a good basis for a rational discussion.

i'd also add that, on social issues, i do see a majority left-leaning of posters.

however, on international issues, i'd see a pro-American bias by the posters, myself included. in the US, i'm rather liberal. in Europe, i'd be centrist, if not even a bit center-right.

all to do with broader perspective.

and i haven't voted in this poll. i refuse to check off a box that i feel is inapplicable.

i'd call myself a "realist progressive."
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but i think everyone feels that way. it just seems, to me, and regardless of being right or left or in the minority or majority, that some choose to stay and fight and others choose to do several other things.

i will say, however, that the left leaning arguments, to me (and i realize this is a biased opinion), are in general more coherently argued than right leaning arguments. i'd like to think (and, hey, perhaps i'm delusional) that i'm able to appreciate a well-argued position, whether or not i agree with it, and based purely upon my own observations, i don't see equal quality of writing between left-leaning and right-leaning posters.

there are, however, notable exceptions. NBC is always logically sound. STING2 is always ready with a dissertation on UN Security Council resolutions. you've put forward some well worded arguments.

but, on the whole, the sheer number of people who are able to argue on a sophistocated level does skew leftward, in my opinion. and too often, your more right-leaning posters either make comments that are totally lacking in nuance (see the breast-feeding thread) or make arguments that are centered around the infallabilitly of the Bible, or more accurately, their belief in the infallability of their interpretaton of the Bible. and then when their beliefs are questioned, they scream about being discriminated against and being persecuted for their beliefs.

simply not a good basis for a rational discussion.

i'd also add that, on social issues, i do see a majority left-leaning of posters.

however, on international issues, i'd see a pro-American bias by the posters, myself included. in the US, i'm rather liberal. in Europe, i'd be centrist, if not even a bit center-right.

all to do with broader perspective.

and i haven't voted in this poll. i refuse to check off a box that i feel is inapplicable.

i'd call myself a "realist progressive."
Yes you're biased but that's beside the point. I actually agree with much of your post, but I have to point out that there are half as many conservatives and thus you'd have half as many articulate posters on any given issue.

Plus, I think that when people are of a majority they will more quickly quell dissent instead of determining if there is a grain of truth or an untested idea in the mixture. And I think for some it's very sporting to start ripping on an idea or have fun playing devil's advocate. For me, I think I just need to toughen my skin and wade in, even if I look like a fool sometimes. Some of my positions are hard to articulate quickly or stem from a belief system different from yours. Which brings me to the next point.


On the religious points: It's easy to see that biblical arguments don't work with people who don't believe in the efficacy or accuracy of the bible, so I only argue using the bible when it pertains to the topic at hand... having said that, it does cripple my rhetoric because I do believe that the bible is important to my philosophy and so it can sometimes be hard to explain why I think something works better my way, or that my way is the more moral way when we can't even agree on what is moral.

In any case, I've enjoyed carrying on discussions with you, so thanks
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It would be great to then have a poll to strike out where they are actually are in the political spectrum as a counter-point.
See this thread...

http://forum.interference.com/t136507.html



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See this thread...

http://forum.interference.com/t136507.html



Which is where I'm going now.

Voted solid liberal in the poll, but more honestly somewhere between that and flaming, far out there liberal.
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42 left of centrist; 18 right of centrist. More than 2 to 1
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Voted solid liberal in the poll, but more honestly somewhere between that and flaming, far out there liberal.
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I love all of you SOLID LIBERALS!!!!
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No shit.

Although I voted for a Republican once, but then he had to resign in disgrace so I stopped doing that.
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Not only is there a left-leaning majority, but a majority of those are "solid liberal" or further to the left. Only 5 of the 18 conservatives so far say they are "firm conservatives" or further to the right.
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