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Old 11-28-2005, 12:44 PM   #16
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This thread exists for the exact reason she tells these kinds of jokes. If she didn't, we never would have heard of her, and she would not have a career.


while i fully understand that people can and will be offended by her jokes, i do think we're underestimating her if we think she's only about shock value.

i do come at this from a different perspective than most, though. i work in media, and even in college i have always found comedy fascinating -- not slapstick comedy, but more how humor works, what it tells us about us and how it reveals the unspoken social conventions and expectations we all submit to without ever giving it much thought.

so i find her very interesting. i also find the Christopher Guest comedies fascinating, as well as Ricky Gervais, Sandra Bernhardt, South Park, etc.

there is a saying in entertainment -- drama is easy, comedy is hard.
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Old 11-28-2005, 12:45 PM   #17
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Sarah Silverman is about as funny as a stroke. Give me Margaret Cho anyday.


Cho can be an absolute scream, i agree.
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More and more I'm coming to realize that Americans really need to change the first amendment.

Uh. No.
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So is she trying to make social commentary of some sort or just trying to be outrageous for the sake of doing so? In saying things like this is she trying to get bigoted people to see themselves in it? I don't think that works, or that most people will see that as the purpose

"The best time to have a baby is when you're a black teenager"

"I sent 15 really fun cowl-neck sweaters to this village in Africa, and [they] sent me a postcard thanking me . . . and said they were delicious''

She is supposed to be a comedian and not a satirist or commentator, isn't she? I just can't laugh at things like that ^, or at those sick 9/11 jokes. I like intelligent comedy that isn't mean spirited. I don't believe she is even mean spirited or that she believes any of her own "jokes" but it can be seen that way. I wonder if this has always been her style or if she developed it in order to stand out in the crowd of comedians.
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I think that those people who enjoy her brand of 'jokes' will go and see her and those who don't probably never will. IMO, she's not inciting violence or advocating hate against specific groups, it's just that her 'jokes' are either tasteless or borderline tasteless depending on your read of it.

So I don't see any reason why she can't carry on the way she wants to. I wouldn't pay to see her, that's for sure, but there isn't anything about her which I find so outrageously offensive that I think you should go as far as altering the freedom of speech amendment, as has been suggested here.
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i also find the Christopher Guest comedies fascinating
Waiting For Guffman

Having spent a year pastoring in a small Missouri town less than 15 miles from the "real" town of Blaine, this movie is pure genius.
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and yes, Guffman is genius

i don't think I will see the movie


but, I did see her in that other movie

"the aristocrats" and did find her a bit intriguing

there is a lot of offensive humor (to some people) out there

she should not be singled out


her thing is being a pretty little Jewish girl saying completely shocking and outrageous things



the "Jesus is magic"

is a good way to explain all those miracles

if it is not for you

just don't go



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So is she trying to make social commentary of some sort or just trying to be outrageous for the sake of doing so? In saying things like this is she trying to get bigoted people to see themselves in it? I don't think that works, or that most people will see that as the purpose

"The best time to have a baby is when you're a black teenager"

"I sent 15 really fun cowl-neck sweaters to this village in Africa, and [they] sent me a postcard thanking me . . . and said they were delicious''

She is supposed to be a comedian and not a satirist or commentator, isn't she? I just can't laugh at things like that ^, or at those sick 9/11 jokes. I like intelligent comedy that isn't mean spirited. I don't believe she is even mean spirited or that she believes any of her own "jokes" but it can be seen that way. I wonder if this has always been her style or if she developed it in order to stand out in the crowd of comedians.


at the end of the day, it comes down to taste. if it's not to your taste, then that's that. you have nothing to apologize for or understand or "get" about her. she's not for everybody, and i think she would be the first to admit that.

for me, i find her much more interesting than, say, Howard Stern, but that again comes down to taste.
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Re: and yes, Guffman is genius

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I don't mean to "single her out", I might rent that when it comes out on DVD just out of curiosity. I think perhaps she's a "novelty" because she's a very attractive woman saying things like that, of course comedy tends to be a male dominated field. Who would be her male equivalent?

I don't think jokes like that about 9/11 or about rape, or the Holocaust, are humorous in any way, but I do still have a sense of humor

I have never heard Howard Stern make that kind of joke about September 11th, I find some things he says funny but others just completely distasteful.
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I have to disagree there...I would not want that right taken away. She can say whatever the hell she wants, no matter how stupid. It's a great right to have.
I agree taking away rights is a step in the wrong direction....

but we should make amenment to be able to kick the crap outta people who make horrible jokes about that stuff

I kid I kid........



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while i fully understand that people can and will be offended by her jokes, i do think we're underestimating her if we think she's only about shock value.
Agreed. But while she may have more and better comedy than just what shocks us, but it is worth noting that such comedy is not why this thread was started or why most of us have heard of her. It's just a sad downside to our culture that performers know that they can get more publicity out of saying what offends over saying what is right.

And ironically, to protest or loudly disagree with that which offends usually makes the situation worse (i.e. more publicity). With people like her, it's better to just ignore it.
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Agreed. But while she may have more and better comedy than just what shocks us, but it is worth noting that such comedy is not why this thread was started or why most of us have heard of her. It's just a sad downside to our culture that performers know that they can get more publicity out of saying what offends over saying what is right.

And ironically, to protest or loudly disagree with that which offends usually makes the situation worse (i.e. more publicity). With people like her, it's better to just ignore it.


is it her fault that her most shocking jokes are what makes the news?

to be totally honest, i actually think she's very, very subversive, and while, in theory, jokes about 9-11 and the Holocaust and rape are not funny, per say, she's not making jokes about what happened on 9-11 and more about how we respond to such events and how we are supposed to speak about such things -- she's tipping over the apple cart of propriety, and fashioning a commentary not on the event but on how we understand and remember the event, what we can say and what we cannot say, etc. i'd point to the excerpts from the Salon article that explicate what she is doing.

i remember watching her on Politically Incorrect once, and what i found shocking was not her language but her utter composure in the face of criticism. she was being taken to task by an Asian professor for her use of the word "chink" in one of her monologues on Conan O'Brien. she tried to explain what she was doing, but stayed in character the whole time, saying, "but i love chinks, it's just that there are some people who don't, and i really wanted to get out of Jury Duty." or something to that extent. this drove the professor crazy, with good reason, and he really tore into her, and explicated exactly what happens when we use racial slurs, how it degrades human beings into something less than human, etc. and he was right. his comments were accurate, but he was (i thought) missing the point of why she was using racial slurs.

she then got a little ticked off and turned to the professor, and i remember this exactly, and said, "listen, i have only met 2 Asian people in my life who i didn't like. one of them is you, and the other one was little Tommy Tran who actually did go pee-pee in my Coke."

there was shocked silence, and then Bill Maher cut to a commercial because no one knew what to do.

it was offensive, yet brilliant. and i understand both what she's trying to do, and the legitimate offense taken at her humor.

i will probably see her movie because i actually do think she's doing interesting work. offensive, yes, but still interesting, and like South Park, i am always interested in anyone who takes a cannon to propriety not because i want to see anyone's feelings hurt (heck, i'm well aware of how awful slurs can be, though his gay boy thinks that her naming her vagina "faggot" is brilliant), but because i think she's unpacking how we think about what we can and cannot say.
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I'm not a fan of 9/11 jokes.

she can say what she wants, doesn't mean I have to laugh
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I'm not a fan of 9/11 jokes.

she can say what she wants, doesn't mean I have to laugh


absolutely.

i think she would agree with you as well.

(i don't want to come off as some sort of Sara Silverman apologist, i just think she's interesting is all)
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