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Old 11-14-2004, 03:59 PM   #16
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Re: Re: Re: Whatever happened to journalists simply reporting the news?

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REPORT the news. Don't TELL us what the news is.
Report what news? Simply deciding what qualifies as news and what can be disregarded involves making a value judgement about the relative importance of different events.
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....If your job is to report what the president says in his weekly radio address, and the president says everything is going great--then report it that way....
That headline DOES report it that way. Bush said everything is going great, everything is rosy in Iraq, no problems. So headline said "Bush says everything is rosy in Iraq". THAT'S WHAT BUSH SAID! The writer didn't say "Everything is rosy in Iraq" -- he attributed it to the person who did the talkinng. There is nothing opinionated about that headline.

I mean, are you saying this is not a rosy outlook? Because if this is not a rosy outlook, I don't know what is:

"Our forces have made significant progress in the last several days. They are taking back the city, clearing mosques of weapons and explosives stockpiled by insurgents and restoring order for law-abiding citizens," Bush said in his broadcast.

Several times, Bush says he is positive about the outlook in Iraq, optimistic I would say. Hey, if you go to thesaurus.com, guess what words are similar to optimistic? Eh, I'll save you the trouble, see the list below:

assured, bright, buoyant, cheerful, cheering, confident, encouraged, expectant, happy, high, hopeful, hoping, idealistic, merry, positive, promising, rose-colored, rosy, sanguine, sunny, trusting, upbeat, Utopian
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That headline DOES report it that way. Bush said everything is going great, everything is rosy in Iraq, no problems. So headline said "Bush says everything is rosy in Iraq". THAT'S WHAT BUSH SAID! The writer didn't say "Everything is rosy in Iraq" -- he attributed it to the person who did the talkinng. There is nothing opinionated about that headline.

I mean, are you saying this is not a rosy outlook? Because if this is not a rosy outlook, I don't know what is:

"Our forces have made significant progress in the last several days. They are taking back the city, clearing mosques of weapons and explosives stockpiled by insurgents and restoring order for law-abiding citizens," Bush said in his broadcast.

Several times, Bush says he is positive about the outlook in Iraq, optimistic I would say. Hey, if you go to thesaurus.com, guess what words are similar to optimistic? Eh, I'll save you the trouble, see the list below:

assured, bright, buoyant, cheerful, cheering, confident, encouraged, expectant, happy, high, hopeful, hoping, idealistic, merry, positive, promising, rose-colored, rosy, sanguine, sunny, trusting, upbeat, Utopian

So the President IS optimistic about Iraq. He is not "painting a picture" of an optimistic (or rosy) Iraq. That is an opinion plain and simple. If the President is optimistic about Iraq --fine. If you are not --fine. Go write an op-ed. I don't need an interpretation of what the President said. Just tell me what the President said. You would think that would be easy enough.
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Report what news? Simply deciding what qualifies as news and what can be disregarded involves making a value judgement about the relative importance of different events.
The President's weekly radio address is news. Plain and simple. No decisions necessary.
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The President's weekly radio address is news. Plain and simple. No decisions necessary.
Where is it news? In the US? The UK? Turkmenistan? Angola?

Would it always be news? What if it occured on the same day as as the outbreak of a major conflict? Would it get pushed off the agenda?

Is it news regardless of what the President says? Would it still be reported if he spoke for five minutes on the merits of baked beans? Is it inherently newsworthy or dependent on what the President says?
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I agree with the others in that this guy is simply reporting the news. The President did paint a rosy picture of Iraq. He's been doing that the whole time we've been in there. I don't see any problem with this news piece.
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I agree with the others in that this guy is simply reporting the news. The President did paint a rosy picture of Iraq. He's been doing that the whole time we've been in there. I don't see any problem with this news piece.
You and me both. I'll be scratching my head over this one for a while yet.
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Can I just clarify that the wrtier did not write the headline?
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