With all due respect verte it's not two different things for me. When someone can be that biased in their thinking, and that mean spirited that they would sink that low in the rating of that thread-well I just can't take anything they have to say about Hillary Clinton (or any other Democrat) seriously. Especially when people jump in and try to respond to it as if it's some sort of legit thread-and some make certain not-so-veiled potshots too. That's all I want to say about it- it's a waste of time. I'm not angry at the so called content of the thread, I'm angry about the bs that surrounds the whole thing.