deep
Blue Crack Addict
there is a paper trail
and why is Obama saying "his real-estate entanglement with Rezko was a "boneheaded" mistake"?
and why is Obama saying "his real-estate entanglement with Rezko was a "boneheaded" mistake"?
deep said:
i do agree that there was really nothing there with the NYT McCain article
but the same claim can not be made regarding this Obama story
deep said:there is a paper trail
and why is Obama saying "his real-estate entanglement with Rezko was a "boneheaded" mistake"?
In a court filing, prosecutors described how $10,000 of alleged finder's fee money was subsequently contributed to the campaign of an unnamed "political candidate" for whom Rezko was a fund-raiser.
Chicago media have reported that the money went to Obama's 2004 Senate campaign.
Dreadsox said:
The same could be said for those who hold the NYT article against McCain.
This to me is just as bad.
Dreadsox said:The one thing in the Dem's favor is the turnout in the primary has been extraordinary.
Dreadsox said:
You have just taken a HUGE step up in my book. :O)
martha said:If this really does cost Obama the election, and the American people vote for more years of war just because of this, then they can't blame anyone but themselves for being dumb.
Canada says didn't misrepresent Obama over NAFTA
Mon Mar 3, 2008 4:59pm EST
By David Ljunggren
OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada on Monday denied it had tried to sway the U.S. presidential election by misrepresenting Democratic candidate Barack Obama with the suggestion that he didn't really believe his criticisms of the North American Free Trade Agreement.
Obama and rival Hillary Clinton -- who both blame the deal for job losses -- say the United States could quit NAFTA unless Canada and Mexico agree to major changes.
Key Obama economic advisor Austan Goolsbee discussed his candidate's policies with the Canadian consulate in Chicago, which wrote a report suggesting Obama's words on NAFTA were designed for a political audience and shouldn't be taken too seriously.
deep said:What was Obama thinking???
Was he fibbing in Ohio to get votes??
Dreadsox said:[Q]March 2, 2008
My goodness - I mean where there is smoke there must be fire!!!!! For someone who represents himself as an outsider and not beholden to the special interests.....an anonymous source indicates this man has helped fun Obama's political career with his shady deals.
Good thing we don't hold grudges in FYM over guilt by assosciation
Have at it!
Dreadsox said:
The same could be said for those who hold the NYT article against McCain.
Irvine511 said:i'm feeling a bit picked on here, and i haven't had a chance to really read this Obama stuff -- i've been in a vortex for the past 8 days -- but i will stay, again, what i said, before, about the McCain thing.
it's an interesting story insofar as it examines the relationships between lobbyists and politicians, and specifically how the perception of access is a lobbyist's best weapon. the affair was pretty much the least interesting part of the McCain story. it was a mistake for the NYT to include that in the article -- and, everyone, please, read the WaPo article, since it says the same thing, has the same information, only without the affair details, but i don't see anyone even talking about that, it just seems to be an excuse to bash the NYT -- not because it was inaccurate, no, as the editor said, the inclusion of the affair was a more accurate representation of the concerns of McCain's aides. no, it was a mistake because it gave such an easy way for the right to circle the wagons and an easy way for a sloppy reading of the various articles in various news publications to dismiss the story.
i'll get to this. give me a bit.
but, really, at first blush, it seems that this story might function in the way that the lobbyist story resonated. it conflicts with what is one of the central narratives of the Obama campaign -- that he's untainted by the system, especially in comparison to the hoary battle axes like McCain and Hillary. just like the McCain article provided evidence that McCain is every bit as likely to curry the favor of lobbyists, or, more critically, that McCain's favor -- something he says he gives none of -- and the perception of having favor by McCain is as much currency in the DC lobbyist world as is the perception of access and favor of any other politician.
but, hey, that's a whole lot of nuance.
U2isthebest said:
I seriously want to hang out with you one day and just discuss politics and current events for hours.
martha said:
And brunch.
deep said:What was Obama thinking???
Was he fibbing in Ohio to get votes??
Irvine511 said:
Irvine511 said:
so what did Memphis and yer man discuss? Radiohead?
deep said:that is one topic?
not two
Irvine511 said:
if you come to DC, we'll invite you to brunch as well.
U2isthebest said:
So, Irvine, Martha, deep, myself, anyone else want to come to Hypothetical D.C Brunch '08'?
Irvine511 said:
bloody marys with me.
Irvine511 said:if you come to DC, we'll invite you to brunch as well.
U2isthebest said:
In that case, can we do this in Canada and make mine a Cosmo? Or can we hold off until after August of 2009?
sulawesigirl4 said:
heyyyy, so I only rated a couple of beers and not the coveted brunch invite? hmph.