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Old 11-11-2004, 01:15 PM   #31
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exit polls dicrepencies

I don't have time to go to these links Dlith & scarlet, but i've hard copied either same or similar stuff over the weekend/last week.

what i can say [hoping I'm not repeating too much] is that EXIT POLLS have ALWAYS been considered the accurate post-vote count before the official totals are counted. That is until 2000....and now.

The big despcrencies in 2004 in the Exit polls only where electronic voting was used. Just about Anywhere where else the exit polls were very close to the official counts.

In these states it seems that between the times cards were punched for the optical scan and the tally from each precinet was uploaded by modem, that were some of the biggest discrepencies started.

Blackboxvoting.org found that in the central tabulaors there was a 2 symbol code to change the electronic ally without a trace. They actually demostarted this on several talk shows both radio & some tv. People's mouths were hangiong open as they saw canditae B's total {who was losing} jump by 6000 votes in the blinck of an eye. The hacking occurs in the info being sent up to the central tabulatore. The CT gets hacked.

Also with the potical scanners the vote was probably hacked by the Central Tabulator, but there the original punch/marked cards are in boxesamd can be compared!

There are stories where people pushed the touch screen for Kerry, and it registered for Bush. Stories of e-machines coming with negative votes for kerry in them when they were started up.

What has happened at HelpAmericarecount.org {associated with baalckboxvoting.org} is that there are some obscure laws in Nevada were a ciizen alone can demand a recount and in ohio- if 5 people who aren't from the winning candidtae's PArty can challenge for a recount they can.

Finally in Ohio there were about 93,000 MORE votes casted than registered voters. In one county there were about 6,000 and they had 8,000 votes cast, In another real small county there were 500+ people register and like 8,000 something on the machine totals.

At HAR.org they're trying to mount the challenge, it costs 10$ to count up a precient. they are doing only the highest discrepencies
counties...some 11,000 in ohio.

You can go to either sight to read more and donate if you are/become concerned.
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Great, more conspiracies...

Don't the tinfoil hat people realize that they are alienating the moderate wing of their party and causing the demise of the Democratic Party? If all these people can do is bitch about conspiracy theories like they have the last 4 years, then they can kiss their chances for congress away in '06 and also for the White House in '08.

Again, the one thing the conspiracy theorists don't have: Evidence! Here's a great article, and the last line sums it up perfectly:
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/11/11/Co..._electio.shtml
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I say we do what some Gore supporters suggested we do in 2000... have an election do- over...

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Great, more conspiracies...

Don't the tinfoil hat people realize that they are alienating the moderate wing of their party and causing the demise of the Democratic Party? If all these people can do is bitch about conspiracy theories like they have the last 4 years, then they can kiss their chances for congress away in '06 and also for the White House in '08.

Again, the one thing the conspiracy theorists don't have: Evidence! Here's a great article, and the last line sums it up perfectly:
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/11/11/Co..._electio.shtml
They ARE collecting the Evidence.
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everyone says that early exit polls showed big leads for kerry... well, yeah... that's probably true. but that doesn't mean anything... a) exit polls aren't exact... b) many on the left were so pumped to vote bush out that they showed up early (and often? ) to get their vote in... c) by the end of the day, the same polls were back within the margin of error... something that doesn't get reported too often. in the end, exit polls don't matter... the only thing that matters are the votes.
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everyone says that early exit polls showed big leads for kerry... well, yeah... that's probably true. but that doesn't mean anything... a) exit polls aren't exact... b) many on the left were so pumped to vote bush out that they showed up early (and often? ) to get their vote in... c) by the end of the day, the same polls were back within the margin of error... something that doesn't get reported too often. in the end, exit polls don't matter... the only thing that matters are the votes.
hellllooooo, did you read my post....

Exit polls have always been considered by the professionals to BE the best way to source an outcome for an election before the vote tallies.

The 2004 Presidental Exit polls were close to the later tallies in just about every [or all] area where electronic touch-screen or optical scanners were NOT used!

How.....coincidental....
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i think you're right. please contact me with your proof.

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hellllooooo, did you read my post....

Exit polls have always been considered by the professionals to BE the best way to source an outcome for an election before the vote tallies.

The 2004 Presidental Exit polls were close to the later tallies in every area where electronic touch-screen or optical scanners were NOT used!

How.....coincidental....
Early exit polls mean absolutely nothing, and that's what the libs keep quoting. In 2000, Gore was well ahead in early exit polls also, but the trend seems to be that most Republicans vote later in the day, thus making early exit polls irrelevant.

You're connecting dots with a very curved line.
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Early exit polls mean absolutely nothing, and that's what the libs keep quoting. In 2000, Gore was well ahead in early exit polls also, but the trend seems to be that most Republicans vote later in the day, thus making early exit polls irrelevant.

You're connecting dots with a very curved line.
Well, they stole it in Fla in 2000.

And they did it again only this time some in Fla and Ohio, and some other states {oh & Fla being the biggest targets} partly by voter suspression.

Such astoo few machines: 2 in one precient, and one 1 of Those was out for 2 hours for repair for voter count of at least 1300 ppl , which only happened in the precients with Large Democrat turnouts> mostly but not exclusively African American.

They added hacking as well to change totals or some other way of counting either at the precient or central ttabulators at the county-level .

We'll just wait till the evidence IS presented, and just maybe then you won't feel quite so snarky.
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What happened in Florida and Ohio??

American citizens voted, their votes were counted and BUSH and CHENEY won -- big time!!
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Great, more conspiracies...
Yes, more conspiracies. This is something that even the liberal media won't show you on the news. There is little if any factual basis to even trust in this theory. Clinton never stole an election. Why are we always accusing W of it?
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Nothing was stolen in Florida... in terms of the Presidential election 2000...
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