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Old 01-14-2008, 02:27 PM   #106
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Wasn't it her husband that ran on the premise of hope and change and little experience?
12 years as governor of Arkansas is major experience.
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12 years as governor of Arkansas is major experience.
Obama's supporters keep ignoring his experience and seem to be going for slogans, feelings and speaking style.


FIRED UP AND READY TO GO!!!!

chanting "YES WE CAN. YES WE CAN. YES WE CAN."


Obama supporters, please help me out here.

Do some research and show me a viable U. S. Presidential candidate that has had a similar career track as Obama.


Perhaps, I am missing something?

I am open to new information that can help me arrive at a different conclusion.
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Old 01-14-2008, 02:53 PM   #108
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Why is it that people ignore Obama's stances and say "all he says is change?"

He has stances, and they are stances I agree with for the most part.
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W's stance was:
T0 RESTORE HONOR AND DIGNITY TO THE WHITEHOUSE

and that appealed to many people
that let their feelings influence their vote.




I have been around long enough to
learn that "stances, slogans, platforms" are designed to get votes


I have learned that the best indicator of what someone will do if elected president is
- what they have done in the past



how do you believe W' did with his stance ?

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Well, in a comparison of pasts before presidency, Obama kicks W's ass, so I don't really see the point.
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I am saying a "stance"


means very little.

A record is the best indicator.
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Well, in a comparison of pasts before presidency, Obama kicks W's ass, so I don't really see the point.

being a Governor, elected and reelected did give W - some credibility


Being a Governor is serving at the highest level of state government, the Executive Branch (i e Presidency).
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But how well he did there also matters.

How well he did when he was a businessman matters.

And he was bad. At both. Hence why I take the whole experience argument with a grain of salt.
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Don't think I am defending or supporting W

I did not support him in 2000 or 2004

I believe he has been one of our worst presidents.


I am hoping for a Dem win in Nov.


I understand why many people are attracted to Obama, especially young people.


I just "very strongly believe" that Hillary has a much, much better chance of bringing that win in November.


Please realize that we are talking about probably 2-3 states that will determine the election.

We do not have a Democracy, we have an extremely poor concept in the "Electoral College".


Headache can vote for Bloomberg if he wants in Nov, his vote won't really matter.

NY electoral college votes will go to the Dems.



U2democrate is working very hard to build the Democratic Party in Virginia, a Southern State.
She knows that many of the voters that voted for Dem Jim Webb for Senate will not vote for Hillary.
She believes Obama will do better in Virgina. She may be right.
But, most likely Vir will go GOP again.


In my state CA, my vote won't change anything.
I don't believe McCain or any GOP candidate has a chance to get our 52? electoral votes.
They will go Democratic, no doubt.


So what states will determine the Whitehouse in Nov.

Florida is key. And Hillary is strongest there.

Ohio? maybe one or two more?

Are you in Penn. Does your vote count?
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I am in PA, however I do not turn 18 until two months after the November elections.

PA is relatively purple, but tends to be Democratic. My vote most likely wouldn't matter much.

For the rest, I understand where you are coming from and tend to agree.
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I do not turn 18 until two months after the November elections.
I'm sorry. That must be annoying as hell.
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It is. But I won't let that stop me from being vocal about my thoughts.
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Thanks for the shoutout, deep

I agree that whoever the Dem nominee is this year Virginia will still be red, as more people turnout in Presidential elections despite the recent trend here going Democrat. (Gov. Kaine, Jim Webb, Dems took control of the State Senate). We're still building that and it'll be while before the state goes blue for a president.

However with the swing states it could get interesting. I wish I had the confidence that you have in Hillary, and I'm sure you wish you had the confidence I have in Obama, but as we can see it's just not the case.

I will say that I wasn't sure Obama could pull it off until Iowa when I saw him pull in so many Independents in such a white state. Same goes for New Hampshire, even though Hillary won, he still got a tremendous amount of votes that is unprecedented that gives me confidence for the general.
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I will say that I wasn't sure Obama could pull it off until Iowa .
It would be better if we chose our President with a National Caucus night in November 2008

than this piss poor, out dated, corrupt "electoral college" scheme.

but that is not the case



anyways, Iowa means and very little

If I were in Iowa and I had a choice to caucus - party with a bunch of Hillary blue hairs
or I could caucus - party with a bunch of clollege co-eds

where do you think I would have been
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Well, do you like older or younger women?
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