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Old 01-12-2008, 05:03 PM   #91
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Hillary is perceived as a competent, effective Senator, the fact that she is married to a popular, well-respected exPresident has not sidetracked or interfered with her work in the Senate
i can not name one thing hillary has done to improve my life as a new yorker.

she is perceived as a competent, effective national politician who only gives a shit about local issues when there's a lot of media attention to be gained.


all around, i just find obama to be more bill clinton like than hillary. not that i'm sold on obama at all... but he seems to be more fo the dynamic personality that this nation needs right now, as opposed to another polarizing figure such as hillary.
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but he seems to be more fo the dynamic personality that this nation needs right now, as opposed to another polarizing figure such as hillary.

That's what I've been trying to say
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^^^ ya, what you said!

OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA!
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I just don't feel like she could win.

When she turns off democrats as hardcore as myself, and fires up the Republicans, I get worried.

If you take the time to read this poll from CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/...ups/index.html

you will see that this "Hillary can't win" is a misconception

her polling numbers are actually better than Obamas
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Clinton leads the front-running candidates of both parties -- Obama, McCain, Giuliani, Huckabee and Romney -- in the percentage of voters who say they would definitely vote for her if she won her party's nomination, with 37 percent.

Obama is second to Clinton in potential voters who say they would definitely vote for him in the general election, with 30 percent. McCain, who is third in that category with 22 percent, is first among voters who say they'd consider voting for him if he were the Republican nominee, with 35 percent.
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He's a great speaker.
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If you take the time to read this poll from CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/...ups/index.html

you will see that this "Hillary can't win" is a misconception

her polling numbers are actually better than Obamas
you are making the tragic mistake of believing polling numbers over your gut.
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^Right.

I think we've seen how unreliable polls can be.
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I don't trust the polls but I also find the absolute hysteria of "she can't get elected" to be extremely strange. Because you operate on an electoral college, there are very, very few truly unelectable candidates, especially in this age of political division.

Hillary can absolutely get elected. She may not be my first choice or yours, or much of the country's. But this notion that she's unelectable is nonsense that has been repeated enough times that otherwise thinking people have begun to buy into it.
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Do I think she's completely unelectable? No.

Do I fear that more people will vote against her than for her? Yes.
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Do I think she's completely unelectable? No.

Do I fear that more people will vote against her than for her? Yes.
Bingo.

As for polls, I pretty much stopped paying attention to them after the 2004 election.
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I think what a lot of us younger people (ok, so perhaps I'm not quite as young as the rest of you) are forgetting is the power of older people in this election. They have so far gone overwhelmingly for Clinton. I don't think they consider her as polarizing a figure, and you know they will vote.

I think she would beat any Republican this year, including McCain. That being said, I can certainly understand the worry if she is the candidate, as her approval ratings have never been that high.

I'm kind of looking at this from a long term view for the Democrats. If Clinton gets the nomination and can win the election, the future looks bright for the Democratic party, knowing that they have a future President in Obama waiting in the wings.

Of course, if Obama wins the nomination instead, I'll be rooting for him just as much.
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What change does Obama bring?

Think about it.

It's a wish and promise of change to what?
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Hillary can absolutely get elected. She may not be my first choice or yours, or much of the country's. But this notion that she's unelectable is nonsense that has been repeated enough times that otherwise thinking people have begun to buy into it.
There is no question about it.
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What change does Obama bring?

Think about it.

It's a wish and promise of change to what?
As opposed to Hillary's agenda or what we have now?

It's more than a promise of change that is for SURE.
He represents a new generation with a new way of doing business such as not bowing to special interests. Hillary's campaign is nothing but the same old thing, the establishment. Selling out to the drug companines and Rupert Murdock is NOT representing the best interest of the middle class. And to say that she is not the only one taking money is a lame argument on that one, because Barack has shown more integrity than her IMO.

Not to mention voting for the WAR before it started giving BUSH a blank check to do as he pleased. That shows POOR judgement on her part. Her explanation now is just ridiculous. She says her vote was about letting the weapons inspectors back in instead of approval for dropping bombs on innocent people. That is a load of crap. She is back tracking and making excuses.

If I knew like Barack that there were no WMD's before we went to war, why didn't she????? My brother knows a weapon inspector and told him that before the war there were no WMD's and Bush was beating the war drums without reason.

Barack gave up a lucrative law career out of school to work and to give back in the community before he even was a blip on the national political scene.
Everything Hillary says and does is politically calculated and to say that Barack has no experience is a load of garbage.
Wasn't it her husband that ran on the premise of hope and change and little experience? Don't get me wrong I voted for Clinton both times and was a fan until NAFTA and the way he sold out to the Rep. Congress, not to mention THE scandals. Bill represents a lot of baggage rather than a big asset IMO.
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