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Old 01-14-2008, 09:49 PM   #136
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Really? Not possible!

So if Hillary gets the nomination

you we still be:

FIRED UP AND READY TO GO! ?
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Old 01-14-2008, 09:53 PM   #137
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You really like that fired up and ready to go business, don't you?

U2DMfan, that was a great post up there. Kind of how I'm feeling now that Edwards isn't going anywhere.
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I wish I could get excited over Hillary, I really do. I just can't
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Old 01-14-2008, 11:40 PM   #139
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So if Hillary gets the nomination

you we still be:

FIRED UP AND READY TO GO! ?
I am like U2Democrat, I will vote for her I suppose, but only because I don't want another 4 yrs of a Rep. mess. and I will not be excited about it. Sorry. I just do not like the woman. She plays dirty. And I don't want to even lash back at all the negative stuff in the press lately that is out there from both camps, it's just aggrivating.

Do you guys ever fear the fact that when we do win the White House back that we will get blamed for the last 8 yrs of disasterous policy? You know that is coming!! So I really pity the person who takes the helm next. They will blame us for years of crap of their own making and then say... look! They said they would change things... and everything will be the same for a long time because the pile is so huge, the mess is so large it will take decades to climb out of this I fear.
But hey, just call me an optimist! Really I am.
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Old 01-15-2008, 02:42 AM   #140
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There is a big difference between federal and state lobbyists however, .......

All surface level.

Ultimately the big charge against lobbyists is who is indebted to them.

So if it's Fed or State level, does it make any difference at all that these groups buy influence, votes and ultimately agendas?

No.

Come on here folks. Wise up.
They HAVE to play this game, it's horribly unfortunate, it corrupts very good people, just don't try and sell me that it's not happening to Obama or anyone else. If they don't play along, they'll get nothing done, ever.
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I'm not much on any candidate and I believe they're all talking heads with canned, prepackaged messages, but for some reason this guy comes across as more sincerely concerned for the American people. Maybe he's just a good actor. Speaking of acting what about Hillary's crying jag to win sympathy when she was down so far in the polls? Shame on her. It's even out of character for the badass bitch but anything that works, she'll sell herself out.
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Old 01-15-2008, 11:49 AM   #142
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Come on here folks. Wise up.
They HAVE to play this game, it's horribly unfortunate, it corrupts very good people, just don't try and sell me that it's not happening to Obama or anyone else. If they don't play along, they'll get nothing done, ever.
They'll still play along, but lobbyists will have less influence under the Democrats. It won't go to a zero percent lobbyist influence as Edwards wants. A recent example can be found in the energy bill that was passed. The oil companies failed(!) in their attempts to get permission to drill for more oil on certain domestic areas that are off limits now. If Congress still had a Republican majority, those provisions probably would have sailed through. Ironically, the Democratic Senator from Lousiana voted against the energy bill because her state has big refineries. So, although she sold out to the lobbyists at a state level, a larger and more damaging selling out at the federal level was averted. A Democratic energy bill will actually have a tougher fuel standard (over 50 mpg) than what was passed (35 mpg).
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Speaking of acting what about Hillary's crying jag to win sympathy when she was down so far in the polls? Shame on her. It's even out of character for the badass bitch but anything that works, she'll sell herself out.
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Yeah...not gonna touch that...
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If Obama really wanted change

he would step aside

and throw his support to Edwards

I am sure Edwards would give him the VP slot

or perhaps Attoney General or something.


before you nuke me - j/k
there is a growing chorus for Edwards to do this for Obama
and he (Edwards) very well may do this, eventually.
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If Obama really wanted change

he would step aside

and throw his support to Edwards

I am sure Edwards would give him the VP slot

or perhaps Attoney General or something.


before you nuke me - j/k
there is a growing chorus for Edwards to do this for Obama
and he (Edwards) very well may do this, eventually.
That's a ticket I could get excited about.
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Ah deep, you're so sneaky!

I would not be surprised after SC, IF Obama were to win both (after NH I'm not holding my breath), but IF Obama were to win both, Edwards would drop out and support Obama. But we'll see. As they say a week is a year in politics.
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Ah deep, you're so sneaky!

I would not be surprised after SC, IF Obama were to win both (after NH I'm not holding my breath), but IF Obama were to win both, Edwards would drop out and support Obama. But we'll see. As they say a week is a year in politics.
I can see it. It seems the last few times I've seen him speak it feels more like he's applying for the job of VP more than President.
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I just don't think he'd go for VP again. Attorney General yes, VP no.
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It seems the last few times I've seen him speak it feels more like he's applying for the job of VP more than President.
I don't necessarily disagree, but I do think you could also read that behavior as an attempt to woo voters who aren't attracted to Obama and had been leaning towards Hillary, but have major misgivings about her.

I like Edwards and in some ways I prefer the type of campaign he's been running to that of the other two (e.g., the clearly articulated sense of his policy priorities in the way he's developed his "Two Americas" theme) but, for whatever reason, he just can't seem to get any real traction this time around.
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