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Old 10-14-2004, 04:57 PM   #46
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Why would that make Jesus a liar?
If I remember right Jesus stopped a stoning(legal capital punishment according the quack who wrote the piece previously quoted) and told those who were free of sin can cast the first stone. Also said to turn the other cheek. Didn't sound like he was all into capital punishment to me.
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Old 10-14-2004, 05:07 PM   #47
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I said an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. She didn't kill anyone, she was a prostitute. I don't think we should kill prostitutes.
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Try reading the rest of my post...
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I'm all for Capitol punishment. The entire
Bush admin should be punished.
Oops....capital punishment.
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I don't believe in it. Death is too good for the types of animals out there.

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So capital punishment doesn't go far enough???
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I'm totally against it. No exceptions.
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If I remember right Jesus stopped a stoning(legal capital punishment according the quack who wrote the piece previously quoted) and told those who were free of sin can cast the first stone. Also said to turn the other cheek. Didn't sound like he was all into capital punishment to me.
Does this amount to a categorical rejection of all forms of violence?

Does this admonition apply just to vengeful individuals, or does it also apply to state actors who are (for the sake of this argument) dispassionately acting in the interest of the people?

I don't have a particularly strong opinion one way or the other on capital punishment, I'm just asking.
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I can only answer this personally. Yes it applies to all forms of violence unless pure self defense or the defense of another. Revenge is not defense.
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If I remember right Jesus stopped a stoning(legal capital punishment according the quack who wrote the piece previously quoted) and told those who were free of sin can cast the first stone. Also said to turn the other cheek. Didn't sound like he was all into capital punishment to me.
Why do we always forget that Jesus also told the woman to sin no more.....?
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Actually, it is true. Many areas of law today stem from principles found in Scripture.

But that was not the intention of BLS's post, but a nice diversion to take another crack at Christianity.
In one of the other threads, someone posted regarding how the OT doesn't support murder.
How is this hypocrisy explained? I can see the religious argument for not supporting abortion, I can see the religious argument for not believing in cold blooded murder. So how about this Jury of Peers playing God? Legally killing someone? And the one thing I really do not understand, the deciding on ending another life. A life that (in religious terms) was a gift from God. You're entering God Territory by deciding you can make this decision to remove someone else's gift.

Can you explain that for me please?
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I can only answer this personally. Yes it applies to all forms of violence unless pure self defense or the defense of another. Revenge is not defense.
Ok.

But capital punishment isn't necessarily about individuals seeking for revenge to be implemented institutionally. It's presumably also about deterring others from committing crimes, which is a defensive measure. How effective this sort of deterrence is is open to argument, but it's plausible.
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Why do we always forget that Jesus also told the woman to sin no more.....?
What did I say in my post to make you think I forgot that?
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The value of capital punishment as a detterent can be seen in the fact the US still has violent crime today. Capital punishment is not a very good detterent for such crimes.
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Ok.

But capital punishment isn't necessarily about individuals seeking for revenge to be implemented institutionally. It's presumably also about deterring others from committing crimes, which is a defensive measure. How effective this sort of deterrence is is open to argument, but it's plausible.
Presumptions are dangerous. Ok first of all has murder declined?

But even if it has, my belief against capital punishment has nothing to do with future crime. You can't deter evil with punishment only with love.
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